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Romana
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| Odinffs wrote: | So you wouldn't call Mozart a genius?
Or do you mean any activities in which one has to use his brain?
Personally, I think everyone who is supreme in an activity where one has to use his/her brain is a genius.
Therefore, in my honest opinion, DaVinci was just as much of a genius as Einstein.
Then again there are several ways in which a person can be intelligent, and therefore several fields in which one can be a genius. I think there's a lot more geniuses/genii (damn you!) than we know about, but most of them just never find their true potential. I like to blame the education system for this. |
I think genius involves creativity, which could be artistic, scientific, philosophical, etc. Thus I would definitely include people like Mozart
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I find the origin and evolution of the word interesting...
| http://www.encyclopedia.com/beta/doc/1E1-genius.html wrote: | | genius in Roman religion, guardian spirit of a man, a family, or a state. In some instances, a place, a city, or an institution had its genius. As the guardian spirit of an individual, the genius (corresponding to the Greek demon) was largely the force of one's natural desires. The genius of the paterfamilias was honored in familial worship as a household god and was thought to perpetuate a family through many generations. Notable achievements or high intellectual powers of an individual were attributed to his genius, and ultimately a man of achievements was said to have genius or to be a genius. |
And on a sillier note:
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: |
seconded. The lost genius of similarminds... |
Irreverent humour and an inability to stick up for your view point are traits of a genius?
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Being a genius means that everyone else around you is stupid.
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| Nostros wrote: | | Being a genius means that everyone else around you is stupid. |
I'm so glad you are joking
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My definition, what really triggers the idea of genious for me, is someone who excels in a subject. I agree with the view that many subjects qualify. Writing, memorizing, musicians (although i am actually most shakey on that one), athletes (i am least shakey on that), mathematicians, scientists of all sorts, to name a few.
But the second and most key component for me is to demonstrate and even better and more key.. to create!
If you can create something valuable on purpose (which is maybe the third component i require to offer the title) then that is above and beyond.
So you have to be exceptionally good at your chosen field or skill
You must have the drive to use your abilities or create something with them
And you have to do it on purpose. Accidents don't count. An accident isn't the lightbulb. That dude was fishing in the science pool.
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| shorty wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: |
seconded. The lost genius of similarminds... |
Irreverent humour and an inability to stick up for your view point are traits of a genius? |
no, i said, Yofter 
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| C.Beck wrote: | My definition, what really triggers the idea of genious for me, is someone who excels in a subject. I agree with the view that many subjects qualify. Writing, memorizing, musicians (although i am actually most shakey on that one), athletes (i am least shakey on that), mathematicians, scientists of all sorts, to name a few.
But the second and most key component for me is to demonstrate and even better and more key.. to create!
If you can create something valuable on purpose (which is maybe the third component i require to offer the title) then that is above and beyond.
So you have to be exceptionally good at your chosen field or skill
You must have the drive to use your abilities or create something with them
And you have to do it on purpose. Accidents don't count. An accident isn't the lightbulb. That dude was fishing in the science pool. |
I agree.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-magic.html#comment-107980180
The bolded part. |
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it seems that most can only provide a carbon-copied definition
not to say this is bad
but......
as in Cooper's 3 words to live by thread
I was hoping for an out of the box response
but aside from Jesus
to no avail
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| samael775 wrote: |
Richard Feynman's IQ was in the 120s, and he is known as one of the more brilliant physicists of the century, so I'm not sure how much weight you can put on tests. Plus, IQ only really tests logical and spatial intelligence, so relying on that would probably exempt most brilliant musicians, painters and writers.
Anyway, the best definition of "genius" is someone who is able to excel in a certain field at a far greater level than others, and able to master that field at an incredible rate. |
How the hell do you become a Putnam Fellow with an IQ in the 120's? The answer is you don't. All an IQ test can give you is a lower bound. Being a Putnam Fellow is an existence proof that it was much much higher. |
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| A genius is someone who's way above the limit of what you would still feel jealous of. |
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| Odinffs wrote: | ^
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So you wouldn't call Mozart a genius? |
I would call him a genius as much as I would call Da Vinci a genius. Mozart wrote awesome music, Da Vinci painted awesome paintings (among other things). That requires intellect, and they were both on a completely different level than anyone else at what they did. But the playing of Mozarts music doesn't make one a genius. However, if someone plays a very difficult piece in a truly brilliant way, he/she could be a genius.
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Heard of savants? Some of them sit in wheelchairs and drool.....SO What? 
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| HatchBack176 wrote: | http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-magic.html#comment-107980180
The bolded part. |
The initial article at this link is great. Especially:
| Quote: | In one of the standard fantasy plots, a protagonist from our Earth, a sympathetic character with lousy grades or a crushing mortgage but still a good heart, suddenly finds themselves in a world where magic operates in place of science. The protagonist often goes on to practice magic, and become in due course a (superpowerful) sorcerer.
Now here's the question - and yes, it is a little unkind, but I think it needs to be asked: Presumably most readers of these novels see themselves in the protagonist's shoes, fantasizing about their own acquisition of sorcery. Wishing for magic. And, barring improbable demographics, most readers of these novels are not scientists.
Born into a world of science, they did not become scientists. What makes them think that, in a world of magic, they would act any differently?
If they don't have the scientific attitude, that nothing is "mere" - the capacity to be interested in merely real things - how will magic help them? If they actually had magic, it would be merely real, and lose the charm of unattainability. They might be excited at first, but (like the lottery winners who, six months later, aren't nearly as happy as they expected to be), the excitement would soon wear off. Probably as soon as they had to actually study spells.
Unless they can find the capacity to take joy in things that are merely real. To be just as excited by hang-gliding, as riding a dragon; to be as excited by making a light with electricity, as by making a light with magic... even if it takes a little study. |
I read alot of fantasy and have wondered sometimes, not so much what I would do in a fantasy setting, but what the book characters would do in the real world.
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| HatchBack176 wrote: | | samael775 wrote: |
Richard Feynman's IQ was in the 120s, and he is known as one of the more brilliant physicists of the century, so I'm not sure how much weight you can put on tests. Plus, IQ only really tests logical and spatial intelligence, so relying on that would probably exempt most brilliant musicians, painters and writers.
Anyway, the best definition of "genius" is someone who is able to excel in a certain field at a far greater level than others, and able to master that field at an incredible rate. |
How the hell do you become a Putnam Fellow with an IQ in the 120's? The answer is you don't. All an IQ test can give you is a lower bound. Being a Putnam Fellow is an existence proof that it was much much higher. |
| wikipedia wrote: | | In high school he was bright, with a measured IQ of 123:[10] high, but "merely respectable" according to biographer Gleick.[10] He would later scoff at psychometric testing. By 15, he had mastered differential and integral calculus. |
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