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| Quote: | Please do not publicly quote or cite without the permission of at least one of the authors.
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Are they kidding us???? If you can't quote it, don't release it. I'll skim through it.
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Looks common place enough, not worth talking about unless your taking a intro class on logic. If you wrote it, I'll do a full reading and will give you feedback.
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Why have a belief at all?
I've never understood that whole thing about having to have something to believe in. Why must I, or you, be committed to some idea? Why can't a person be brought up to have faith in themselves?
Fuck beliefs 
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If you aren't sure of anything, then you have two options: Do what other people say, or do nothing. I suppose you could also act without thinking and without aim, but we tend to deduce some notion of the direction we're going in.
Being a five-W's vegetable is cool, if you think society should collectively sit down and stop working.
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Spunds like your belief, Jhyana, is that you shouldn't have any 
LOLing aside, I'm probably wrong~
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Cognitive Styles quote:
| Quote: | The 'new age' thinker lacks Perceiver axioms (Introverted Thinking), and this destroys Perceiver thought. He then replaces an isolated Teacher analysis (Introverted Intuition) with synthesis and philosophy.
I know by experience that a Perceiver (Introverted Thinking) can accept, as his most basic axiom. the 'new age' mantra that 'the most basic principle is that there are no principles.' This of course completely destroys his ability to think independently. A person with principles can be seen as a 'false prophet,' and attacked viciously. It's like an 'auto-immune disease,' in which the body turns against itself. |
| Jhyana wrote: | | Fuck beliefs |
The first major foundational belief I've found is: Object Permanence (the term used to describe the awareness that objects continue to exist even when they are no longer visible)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peekaboo
| Quote: | | Peekaboo is thought by developmental psychologists to demonstrate an infant's inability to understand object permanence.[citation needed] Object permanence is an important stage of cognitive development for infants. Numerous tests regarding it have been done,[citation needed] usually involving a toy, and a crude barrier which is placed in front of the toy, and then removed, repeatedly. In early sensorimotor stages, the infant is completely unable to comprehend object permanence. Psychologist Jean Piaget conducted experiments with infants which led him to conclude that this awareness was typically achieved at eight to nine months of age.[citation needed] Infants before this age are too young to understand object permanence, which explains why they do not cry when their mothers are gone. "Out of sight, out of mind." A lack of Object Permanence can lead to A-not-B errors, where children reach for a thing at a place where it should not be. |
If someone hasn't yet gotten to the stage of Object Permanence then they are still thinking like an infant! |
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Jhyana
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| C.Beck wrote: | If you aren't sure of anything, then you have two options: Do what other people say, or do nothing. I suppose you could also act without thinking and without aim, but we tend to deduce some notion of the direction we're going in.
Being a five-W's vegetable is cool, if you think society should collectively sit down and stop working. |
No, those are not the only options you can figure out what to do as you go along with you personal twinking of what you've been taught.
You seriously do everything the way you were taught? 
How about a person has two options, to keep it with the two options thing. Do as they are expected to do; or do what they, personally, think they ought to do. |
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| Jhyana wrote: | | C.Beck wrote: | If you aren't sure of anything, then you have two options: Do what other people say, or do nothing. I suppose you could also act without thinking and without aim, but we tend to deduce some notion of the direction we're going in.
Being a five-W's vegetable is cool, if you think society should collectively sit down and stop working. |
No, those are not the only options you can figure out what to do as you go along with you personal twinking of what you've been taught.
You seriously do everything the way you were taught?
How about a person has two options, to keep it with the two options thing. Do as they are expected to do; or do what they, personally, think they ought to do. |
That falls into my parameters. If you're acting, you believe.
I don't do everything the way i was taught. I choose which to believe so i can act and have effect.
^ nothing i didn't say in the first post.
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Believe everything you know
Believe basically nothing
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Sensing semantic impasse.
Believe does not mean know without any doubt at all.
It means you think (think) it is true. Philisophically it is very easy to say "we can't ever know anything for sure". I'd point to the evil scientist in Descartes work. The matrix. ect.
But beleif is something different than knowing. It is a part of what one might consider knowing.
As Hatch pointed out (and you all seem to be ignoring) we have to believe SO much to operate on a daily basis. object permanence is a good one. How about even simpler understandings, like gravity. When i don't support myself, i come down. Do you believe that gravity exists? not "do you think gravity exists without a doubt"
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I think disbelieving can be really hard too. I always have a glimmer of hope in somethings despite the fact that they will never happen.
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| C.Beck wrote: | | Jhyana wrote: | | C.Beck wrote: | If you aren't sure of anything, then you have two options: Do what other people say, or do nothing. I suppose you could also act without thinking and without aim, but we tend to deduce some notion of the direction we're going in.
Being a five-W's vegetable is cool, if you think society should collectively sit down and stop working. |
No, those are not the only options you can figure out what to do as you go along with you personal twinking of what you've been taught.
You seriously do everything the way you were taught?
How about a person has two options, to keep it with the two options thing. Do as they are expected to do; or do what they, personally, think they ought to do. |
That falls into my parameters. If you're acting, you believe.
I don't do everything the way i was taught. I choose which to believe so i can act and have effect.
^ nothing i didn't say in the first post. |
I did not get any of this on what you wrote the first time.
| Quote: | | you have two options: Do what other people say, or do nothing. |
This I think through me off. |
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well you can't ignore the first part of the sentence. Gosh.
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| Jhyana wrote: | Why have a belief at all?
I've never understood that whole thing about having to have something to believe in. Why must I, or you, be committed to some idea? Why can't a person be brought up to have faith in themselves?
Fuck beliefs
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"Fuck beliefs"
I smell a new signature!
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