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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: How do you visualize the past? Reply with quote

This is a question inspired by a detail mentioned in Ordered Complexity, but it has been fascinating for me so far to discover how different we really are in our visualizations.

For instance, my flashbacks have pretty much always been in colour. But it’s interesting how that changes when I try to visualize events that aren’t from my time—incidents that I was never actually involved in, but have become part of my visual history because they’ve been recounted to me. Whenever I visualize incidents from my parents’ childhood or my grandparents’ time, there’s a sepia gradient to them. Also, I’ve realized that I don’t visualize the past sequentially, it consists of a lot of flashes that aren’t related by time but by association.

My friend has another really interesting mechanism. His visions of the past are sort of divided between colour and black-and-white but he has this thing, where the frame of the images gets more blurred as he recounts instances that are further in the past.

So how do you visualize the past?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't ever honestly visualize the past, but sometimes dreams
incorporate the past. I dream in colour sometimes, but it's usually
more non-physical at all. I may recognize individuals, but not
in physical form.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't really visualized the past recently.

If you'd like to, give me (us) something to recall and I'll describe exactly how I recall it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see events in the shape of a giant, rolling doughnut, internal to the doughnut, but with a big hole in the middle- and while I'm eating the doughnut- I can't help but wonder about why there was always a void in the middle, and if it's really the eternal void in the middle that makes the doughnut, or the baker?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of it is involuntary or Proustian memory. It's a combination of sensations and words that I heard from others in the past situation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lenka wrote:
I haven't really visualized the past recently.

If you'd like to, give me (us) something to recall and I'll describe exactly how I recall it.


Hmm, it's hard to say, but trying recalling an impressionable event in the distant past. It could be something major; something that altered the course of your life, or it could be some minor detail that you would like to remember--it really depends on what aspects of the past hold more meaning for you.

The Troll Emperor of Doom wrote:
I see events in the shape of a giant, rolling doughnut, internal to the doughnut, but with a big hole in the middle- and while I'm eating the doughnut- I can't help but wonder about why there was always a void in the middle, and if it's really the eternal void in the middle that makes the doughnut, or the baker?


When in doubt, I always eat the doughnut holes. Symmetrical and complete. Laughing

You could build planetary models with both combined, Ony.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilithsansracine wrote:
Most of it is involuntary or Proustian memory. It's a combination of sensations and words that I heard from others in the past situation.


What is "Proustian?"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have actual visualizations

rephrase
I remember the colors, pictures, sounds, etc.
but I do not experience them in memories

When I close my eyes, I most often see nothing
I rarely remember dreams


When I fantasize, there are no pictures, that would be complex
sounds however, are easy for me to imagine



I can recall vividly an imagine, almost as if I have a photogenic memory
BUT I do not see it
If I had a good hand, I could sure as hell draw it from memory


What I'm saying is that I remember "the picture" (video, really), but I do not see it
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mayflow wrote:
lilithsansracine wrote:
Most of it is involuntary or Proustian memory. It's a combination of sensations and words that I heard from others in the past situation.


What is "Proustian?"

Marcel Proust, writer of the world's longest conventional book, containing the world's longest sentence and I think the world's longest paragraph (don't know about that last one, but there were some extremely long paragraphs in that book). It's called In Search of Lost Time/Remembrance of Things Past/A La Recherce du Temps Perdu (or something like that, it's the original title).

The book is narrated by a kid as he grows up and remembers things about his childhood, teen years, early adulthood and so on. I haven't read all of it, I've gotten halfway, but I have the entire thing here in my room. The narrator reflects about what the sunrise looks like and other sensory things in the first 30 or so pages of the book while he's lying in his bed, that should give you a good indication of what it's like. I don't even remember the longest sentence, I read the book it's in, but I don't remember it because of the way it's written. Long descriptions of the way furniture looks like when he walks into a room, and what it reminds him of and so on.

I think the narrator might be ISFP, possibly INFP. He reminds me of you Mayflow. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to only remember the good parts. Anything is better than what is happening now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you read that? What benefit can possibly be derived from reading a book everyone else walked away from on page 29?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I visualize something, it doesn't usually have details. It's in 3D. I can rotate it and move my point of view. If it's an area I was really familiar with I can move to places I've never been and see it from there. Like hovering 20 feet up in the air for instance.

If I don't remember a detail it just isn't there though. If I don't remember something's color, then it's just a colorless shape. Again, it's not black, white or gray, just colorless. If I visualize someones face it will be there in my head, whole and complete, but if I can't remember what the shape of their nose is I won't be able to see that in my head either.

I can feel things in my memory if I remember what they felt like, but they don't make sounds and they don't have smells. It's harder to remember sounds and smells. I have to let go of the image to do it. They have that same detail-less quality that sights do. I don't know how to describe what that actually means for them. Touch feels real though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't usually have images when going through old memories, just audio or sound. Conversations and general impressions that I got from them, since it's difficult for me to remember other details.

Sometimes I can go through chunks of memories in full detail if they're triggered by something though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember everything mostly vividly and in color.
But the emotions at the time always stand out the strongest.
Its always in how I saw it through my eyes though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really interesting responses.

Zephr wrote:

I can feel things in my memory if I remember what they felt like, but they don't make sounds and they don't have smells. It's harder to remember sounds and smells. I have to let go of the image to do it. They have that same detail-less quality that sights do. I don't know how to describe what that actually means for them. Touch feels real though.


I can relate to this. Except sensorial details constitute a large part of "memory" in my case. I remember voices, timbres, echoes, body language, smells, aural/visual cues--all that stays, contributing to a network of associations. It's partially why recounting an incident is pretty close to re-living it in some senses for me--the recollection of sensory details makes it real.
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