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Romana Advanced Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I can remember sounds, especially music, and sometimes voices, usually saying a particular phrase. My memories of past personal events is always in color but often blurry or fuzzy, as if seen by someone without their glasses. I am especially poor at recalling facial features. I remember scenes and events with reasonable detail and accuracy, but I know the details, I do not see them in the memory. For instance, I might know that the book on the table was my math book, but I cannot read the title on the spine. Memories rarely have emotional content. I may remember how I felt, but I do not re-feel it as I remember. _________________ Romana
INTJ
“The awareness of our own weaknesses allows us to view the weaknesses of others with immense compassion and to appreciate the value of their offerings.” ~ Logospilgrim |
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Isra Advanced Member

Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 1086 Location: Skagit County, WA
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Zephr wrote: | When I visualize something, it doesn't usually have details. It's in 3D. I can rotate it and move my point of view. If it's an area I was really familiar with I can move to places I've never been and see it from there. Like hovering 20 feet up in the air for instance.
If I don't remember a detail it just isn't there though. If I don't remember something's color, then it's just a colorless shape. Again, it's not black, white or gray, just colorless. If I visualize someones face it will be there in my head, whole and complete, but if I can't remember what the shape of their nose is I won't be able to see that in my head either.
I can feel things in my memory if I remember what they felt like, but they don't make sounds and they don't have smells. It's harder to remember sounds and smells. I have to let go of the image to do it. They have that same detail-less quality that sights do. I don't know how to describe what that actually means for them. Touch feels real though. |
I'm similar to this, except that I can kind of zoom in on details, and they appear. I also tend to hear and smell things. For me, remembrance is quite like real life most of the time, like Annabel Lee said.
Funny, I was never really aware that people's memories work differently. _________________ (Fi)(Ne)ly tuned ISTP
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on."
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Zephr Advanced Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I was thinking about this again. I think touch is what all my memory of objects is based off of.
Everything in my memory is solid or abstract. If it's solid, I can feel it there even if I never felt it in reality. Anything I have touched I immediately remember in vivid life-like detail. If I haven't touched it, but I have touched something similar it will feel like the similar object. For instance I know what polished wood feels like, so if a see a wooden desk it will feel like that in my memory even if I never touch it. If I have no idea how something should feel it just feels cold, hard and smooth.
The other senses are just overlayed on top of this. They feel very... hollow, empty... constructed... and it's very hard to do more than one sense at a time for anything but the simplest of objects. _________________ r|C|UaI |
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lordofthefood1 Advanced Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 4229 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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That is a good post Zeph, I'll try to connect it to mine.
No video, but complete instructions of what the video looks like.
When I think about some memories, I know exactly what was where and what color and what path it moved on and who said what and how it sounded and how I felt and how my clothes were
but when I close my eyes, I see skin and blood vessels
I rarely have real dreams, they are usually thoughts
(though I did have one the other day, it was strange)
So I'm struggling, is this abstract or concrete?
The fact that there is no video makes me think abstract
but it isn't really open to interpretation as abstract would be
it is all concrete "exact" instructions
(this is almost EXACTLY why I don't think I'm an S
but I'm ot quite an N, so to speak) _________________
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Annabel_Lee Advanced Member

Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 1051 Location: A kingdom by the sea
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Zephr wrote: | You know, I was thinking about this again. I think touch is what all my memory of objects is based off of.
Everything in my memory is solid or abstract. If it's solid, I can feel it there even if I never felt it in reality. Anything I have touched I immediately remember in vivid life-like detail. If I haven't touched it, but I have touched something similar it will feel like the similar object. For instance I know what polished wood feels like, so if a see a wooden desk it will feel like that in my memory even if I never touch it. If I have no idea how something should feel it just feels cold, hard and smooth.
The other senses are just overlayed on top of this. They feel very... hollow, empty... constructed... and it's very hard to do more than one sense at a time for anything but the simplest of objects. |
That's really interesting.
I was thinking about something similar today. Let's consider recalling a song, the whole phenomenon of a "song playing in your head". Now if I were to just describe what I'd be experiencing, without any technicalities, I'd say the song is "playing in my head". (And this would be true as an observation, because I could "play" the song from start to finish with all its nuances in my head). But the funny thing is, nothing obviously plays. In my head, it's sensorially amplified as sound or hearing. But there is no hearing involved. I mean, what I hold on to is just a compilation of the memories of every time I've heard the song, accessed when I "play" it in my head.
It's such a truism, yet I find it a rather weird observation. It's like the whole, "if a tree falls in the woods and there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?". Well technically, no. But we feel it like it's real. Similarly, all my sensorial experiences amplified in memory don't even have to correspond to a real counterpart--they feel real without even being technically sensory at all.
Funny thing is, this not-actually-sensory-yet-feels-like-it memory related recollection may actually trigger physical responses (like responses to stimuli). When I recall a putrid smell, my nose unconsciously scrunches a little. When I "play a song in my head", my feet often tap to it. Recalling touching an awkward texture may get a little shiver from me.
It's amazing what our minds do. _________________ "There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the faults of his feet" -Samuel Beckett |
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lordofthefood1 Advanced Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 4229 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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stupid song in head thing
I don't own an mp3 player because of my amazing ability to play music in my head
the great part is I can isolate tracks and only play them if I want to
("Oh, I feel like listening to drums today")
then I just listen to the drums of my favorite bands
"Ugh, my iPod broke."
"You should just memorize your music; it will make you smarter and you won't have to worry about your stuff breaking or running out of batteries or memory." _________________
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Another Advanced Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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I hear the past. Dialogue. _________________ ENTJ sx/so |
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HopscotchAndRocks Advanced Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Isra Advanced Member

Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 1086 Location: Skagit County, WA
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Annabel_Lee wrote: | | ... When I recall a putrid smell, my nose unconsciously scrunches a little. |
My nose scrunched up just reading the words "putrid smell!"  _________________ (Fi)(Ne)ly tuned ISTP
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on."
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Zephr Advanced Member

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 1051 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Hmm... foodlord got me thinking about how I remember music.
I said earlier that my memory is either solid or abstract, I think that music is abstract. (Also speech and writing.)
I don't remember sounds or anything like that. I remember emotions and... a general flow of notes... like when I'm singing, I'll change octaves without even realizing it right away. It's not the notes themselves that I remember, but the changes from one note to the next.
For communication, I don't remember the words themselves. Again I remember emotion, and then the overall meaning. If I repeat back what someone says to me I won't use the same words they do. Partly that's intentional. I want to make sure my understanding is correct, but mostly I just remember the meaning, and putting that meaning back into words usually changes it a little. _________________ r|C|UaI |
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lordofthefood1 Advanced Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Zephr wrote: | Hmm... foodlord got me thinking about how I remember music.
I said earlier that my memory is either solid or abstract, I think that music is abstract. (Also speech and writing.)
I don't remember sounds or anything like that. I remember emotions and... a general flow of notes... like when I'm singing, I'll change octaves without even realizing it right away. It's not the notes themselves that I remember, but the changes from one note to the next.
For communication, I don't remember the words themselves. Again I remember emotion, and then the overall meaning. If I repeat back what someone says to me I won't use the same words they do. Partly that's intentional. I want to make sure my understanding is correct, but mostly I just remember the meaning, and putting that meaning back into words usually changes it a little. |
Ah, I'm the exact opposite
though I can change them if I want to
but it just sounds off
I had an argument with a kid on my floor. He was tuned to a different key and said, "Well, it sounds exactly the same." I said that that was absurd, being that it can't be exactly the same if it is in a different key, but it can be the same relative to the key change. He didn't take what I said to heart. _________________
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Kyle Advanced Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: |
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It just happens... Past moments of heightened energy and significance are triggered by events in the present. Full spectrum.
I can re-experience it over and over, thinking about different factors, and feeling the influence of the factors.
Sometimes I'll remember a thought that didn't make sense at the time, but with new puzzle pieces in place, the memory of experiencing the thought comes back, completing another piece of the puzzle. Songwriting too.
The memory is clearer when seeing it from the right perspective. |
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Annabel_Lee Advanced Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kyle wrote: | It just happens... Past moments of heightened energy and significance are triggered by events in the present. Full spectrum.
I can re-experience it over and over, thinking about different factors, and feeling the influence of the factors. |
That's another really intriguing factor. Re-thinking past events multiple times. I'm pretty sure all of us have some recurring reminisces, but they do change forms and mask themselves cleverly on some occasions, in my case. _________________ "There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the faults of his feet" -Samuel Beckett |
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lordofthefood1 Advanced Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hm, this is a thing that I got into with many people (some on the forum and some in person); when you say, "I remember when I was three and I did this," do you really remember it, or do you remember the details that somebody told you (or has your memory been resparked by somebody telling you it happened (or possibly that you just combine your memory and the memory that the other person had (possibly blending or possibly keeping them distinct))))))))))))))))))))))) _________________
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Annabel_Lee Advanced Member

Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 1051 Location: A kingdom by the sea
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, actually I commented on something similar in the opening post, but it's amazing how external details (not of our personal narratives) become parts of functional memory. For instance, one of my cousins always insists that he remembers there being large lights around him when he was born. I find it preposterous, but it's something he stands by. We've discussed how part of it may be internalizing the stereotype of lights being around you in an operating room, but apparently he remembers...
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PS- I just notice two brackets requiring closing, as opposed to the many others you've inserted. I wonder what that means in the cipher code. _________________ "There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the faults of his feet" -Samuel Beckett |
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