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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

The social sciences.
Does anyone see the value of them being more
voraciously
taught in the school systems?o
Again, I am searching for "what will make society better".
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

I just thought that since we are social beings, that the social sciences
would make perfect sense.
Psychology to understand WHY we do the things we do.
Comparative religions to understand and respect other people's, and cultures.
Education and child development to understand the Montessori, and Waldorf
school systems. To empower ourselves to get the best education for children.
Since we our social beings it is important to know how and why we are the
way we are.
In this way we can begin to understand.
With understanding comes insight and awareness.
With awareness and insight comes change.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

In my quest of healing, understanding, and peace I took a class called
interpersonal & intrapersonal communication.

As an intuitive feeler, I found the class riveting.
It's what called experiential learning. It is the "experience" &
exeriences that are what makes the class "real".

It was learning how to conduct one on one counseling and
also learning how to conduct group sessions.

We were filmed and thus learned our communication style.
We learned to correct deficiencies and learn more
SELF-AWARENESS.
With more AWARENESS, we are more AWAKE, and thus
have a clearer path to self actualization!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your views on economics as a social science?
Making the world a better place one bill at a time.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

Ordinarily I would not think of economics as a social science.

However, in the business world, people are involved.

All disciples, business, physics, mathematics, economics, anthropology,

zoology, have something to offer in making this a better world.

You see we are all interconnected and all of the disciplines are interrelated.

I believe in the Gaia principle, in that the whole planet is like one living

organism. Also this is why I am with the positive energy discipline. If I hurt

you, then I am hurting myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Social sciences are disgustingly underfunded where I live, especially at the secondary school level. Social Studies 11 was compulsory, but only briefly covered Canadian History from the Confederation up until now. The perspective from which it was taught was from the Male Anglo-Saxon point of view. The only class in which the rest of the world is considered is in Socials 8 and part of Socials 9, and the curriculum is very brief and one-sided.

Even at a post secondary level, I often feel like everything we learn is from a Western point of view. I'm minoring in Philosophy, and I know that I'm missing out on a lot of Eastern Philosophy, which is sad. I want to broaden my horizons and examine things from as many points of view as possible, but the post-secondary curriculum doesn't offer that.

I guess it's our general Western attitude. As an individualist culture, we don't worry too much about interpersonal skills. In this society, you live with your parents until you're 18 and then you're on your own. You're expected to have the knowledge you need to be able to support yourself, but I know very few people who are 18 (like myself), and who have discovered who they are as an individual, and as a spiritual being. Unfortunately, I see that as many people grow older, especially in individualist cultures such as ours, they simply never bother to deal with the second category.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

Purity:
Again, intellectually your judgment is sound
Emotionally you sound mature.
Spiritually, you seem to be reaching for a higher level.

I prescribe to no particular religion, philosophy, or creed.
I am however attracted to "eastern" thought and philosophy..
In my quest for healing, knowledge, and wisdom I read world religions.
I like the far eastern religions of shinto, buddhism, hinduism, and confucianism.
I incorporate it as part of a whole.
I suppose I must not leave out, I also studied christianity, judaism, islam,
Zoroastorianim.
Again I incorporate it as part of a whole.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

Purity: As far as history being primarily white anglo/saxon male, you
are generally correct.
I ran across an excellent series of books. It was the 100 greatest
women, people, jewish etc. Individuals. Imagine how great it would
be to know about the 100 "greatest" italians, russians, jewish, arab,
native american and so on.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: social sciences Reply with quote

lightsun wrote:
Purity: As far as history being primarily white anglo/saxon male, you
are generally correct.

History is written by the victors. The Bible is a great example of that.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

History IS BIASED.
Most of what we know is opinion. We really know very little. I suppose that
is the first step towards wisdom. The bible, ( and i'm not being negative),
is opinion as well as all of the religions and belief systems.
This is to include political theories.
Even science is continually evolving it's truths. Both the big bang and
evolution are hypothesis, theory, and opinion. What gets me about the
bible is how do people know that it is TRUE.
The answer is because it's written there, so it must be true.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: social sciences Reply with quote

lightsun wrote:
History IS BIASED.
Most of what we know is opinion. We really know very little. I suppose that
is the first step towards wisdom. The bible, ( and i'm not being negative),
is opinion as well as all of the religions and belief systems.
This is to include political theories.
Even science is continually evolving it's truths. Both the big bang and
evolution are hypothesis, theory, and opinion. What gets me about the
bible is how do people know that it is TRUE.
The answer is because it's written there, so it must be true.

Humanity knows more than you seem to give us credit for, just judging by the productive use to which this knowledge has been put. I make a distinction between objective truth and subjective truth. We have had several discussions on the forum concerning truth, belief, and subjectivity, and I am sure not everyone will agree with my perspective. I admit I am oversimplifying here a bit in the interests of brevity.

Science relies on objective truth, and as such is not opinion, though its ideas certainly change as more evidence becomes available. In science, the term "theory" is not synonymous with "hypothesis", meaning an educated guess up for proof or disproof. It means an explanation that is accepted because it is supported by reams of reproducible evidence. It will never be considered completely proven, though, precisely because of what you mention; additional evidence could surface and require the theory to be modified or scrapped altogether. But for now, it (evolution, big bang, etc.) is the best working model.

Subjective truth is found in the various spiritual traditions, personal philosophies, etc. Many, for instance, believe Jesus was God. Was he? To those believers he was, and the assertion is not something that can be established in the manner of a scientific theory, although it has been established among broad segments of the population through more emotional appeals. Seeing Jesus as God has some meaning for these believers, while another vision of Deity may have meaning for me, or you, or others.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

Romana, I'm in agreement with what you said.
Let's go back to objective truths, which I buy into 99.999%.
If you do a certain scientific chemical experiment and the experiment is
replicated, then this is scientific proof. The advances in medicine, genetics,
electricity, cell phone technology, space exploration, the list goes on. This
is to me as much truth as we are going to get.
Now subjective truths and opinions. Take a history of the Roman empire.
There are many "reasons"given for the "collapse" or demise of the empire.
Depending on the author, you get different viewpoints!
Now for the in between. The big bang and evolution. Your right, this is what
the best scientific knowledge states is true, and i'll buy into it, until if and
when it is reshaped or even scrapped for better scientific understanding.
The point is we don't know what killed the dinosaurs.
I would love to really know.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: social sciences Reply with quote

lightsun wrote:
If you do a certain scientific chemical experiment and the experiment is
replicated, then this is scientific proof. The advances in medicine, genetics,
electricity, cell phone technology, space exploration, the list goes on. This
is to me as much truth as we are going to get.

No, this is not proof, just corroboration. We could all be making the same error, say, by using starting materials with a contaminant that will only be detected much later. Scientific theories can be disproven, but never completely proven.
lightsun wrote:
Now subjective truths and opinions. Take a history of the Roman empire.
There are many "reasons"given for the "collapse" or demise of the empire.
Depending on the author, you get different viewpoints!
Now for the in between. The big bang and evolution. Your right, this is what
the best scientific knowledge states is true, and i'll buy into it, until if and
when it is reshaped or even scrapped for better scientific understanding.
The point is we don't know what killed the dinosaurs.
I would love to really know.

In history, as in science, the error or uncertainty often comes more in the conclusions than in the data. One might attribute the fall of a dynasty to the early death of a certain ruler. While the cause and effect relationship may be shaky, the death of the ruler may well be accepted fact.

My last post ended with an incomplete sentence (must have been cut off, or I pressed "submit" prematurely). In any case, the complete thought:

The Bible is a history of how a certain group of people viewed their relationship with deity. As such, it contains much bias, and was deliberately compiled, if not actually written, to contribute to the downfall of the losing groups. This does not mean it is useless and contains no truth, simply that one cannot take it all at face value.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: social sciences Reply with quote

Corroboration and data are the more reliable truths.
The error in truth relies on human subjectivity and projections of
humans "INNER" "reality". A persons inner reality contains at least two areas
where science can be erroneous. (1)The person's biases, prejudices,
stereotypes, and ignorances caused by fear and superstition.
(2) We are a product of what we learn. If what we learned is erroneous,
we start out of the wrong gate. Our preconceived theories can lead us
astray and make us look in the wrong direction.
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