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Romana
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| Stuckasfook wrote: | You said that intellectual slavery was not thought control.
Would you like to explain how the intellect doesn't involve thoughts? |
I am making a distinction between values and opinions, and the simple application of intellectual capacity to a task. The first speaks to who we are inside, our sense of right and wrong. The second is more analogous to applying any other human capacity to a task, e.g. using our strength to dig a ditch, or our dexterity to type documents. I see this all the time at work. The management can force us to do stupid things (our actions), but they cannot make us agree with them, or pretend to agree with them (our thoughts).
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lightsun
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: gaia principle |
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In ancient greek mythology, gaia was the first god, from which all else
sprang. She married her son, the sky god, uranus. From their union
sprang the titans.
I was wondering if all the forum members would pick their own god
or goddess with which to identify with.
I pick Apollo, the god of light.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: gaia principle |
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What does the forum think of that we are interrelated? Also do you guys
believe that if I hurt you, then I hurt myself?
This goes into the essence of "gaia". That if we hurt the planet, then we are
hurting ourselves.
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I WANT TO BE HAPPY!
INFP, cognitive style MERCY!
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Zodiac "cancer" |
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RadicalDreamer
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: gaia principle |
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| lightsun wrote: | What does the forum think of that we are interrelated? Also do you guys
believe that if I hurt you, then I hurt myself?
This goes into the essence of "gaia". That if we hurt the planet, then we are
hurting ourselves. |
I think it does leave a mark on the soul/inner self of the person that causes harm depending if they have knowledge of the harm unless they are psychopathic. I think modern humans are so detached from the natural world that they are oblivious to the harm "gaia" experiences because they live and work in mostly artificial environments.
My god is the Tao or Logos.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: gaia principle |
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If we as a society focused more on the social sciences on what it is to be
human and how to be more humane, there would be les angry talk about
mad scientists.
I'll also tell you quite frankly, that if I detect a message is just angry, I will
Ignore it and move on to a more positive, rational, & constructive post
reply.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: gaia principle |
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RadicalDreamer, yes generally speaking we have lost contact with what it is
to truly interrelate with a true ecosystem.
Tao/Logos that is why I am attracted to any religions which have a strong
nature spirituality, like native american and shinto.
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I WANT TO BE HAPPY!
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: gaia principle |
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| lightsun wrote: | RadicalDreamer, yes generally speaking we have lost contact with what it is
to truly interrelate with a true ecosystem.
Tao/Logos that is why I am attracted to any religions which have a strong
nature spirituality, like native american and shinto. |
I think that is because of the mass consumer society. People are taught at a very early age to consume. I think there is a hidden curriculum in society that should be explored and understood. People don't produce their food. They no longer interact with nature.
Hidden curriculum in the educational system:
http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~cac/nlu/fnd504/anyon.htm
I don't know much about american indian spirituality. Everything I have read about it was about animism. I think animism is a pure spirituality. I think religions reflect the society they come from.
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: gaia principle |
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RadicalDreamer. "I think religions reflect the society they come from.
Yes. In the hot dessert areas where judaism, christianity, and islam
came from produced a hell of fire (like a perpetual hot dessert sun).
In the northern scandinavian countries hell was ice and the cold of the
frost giants.
In mountainous greece the gods lived on Mt. Olympus.
Etc.
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| Romana wrote: | | Stuckasfook wrote: | You said that intellectual slavery was not thought control.
Would you like to explain how the intellect doesn't involve thoughts? |
I am making a distinction between values and opinions, and the simple application of intellectual capacity to a task. The first speaks to who we are inside, our sense of right and wrong. The second is more analogous to applying any other human capacity to a task, e.g. using our strength to dig a ditch, or our dexterity to type documents. I see this all the time at work. The management can force us to do stupid things (our actions), but they cannot make us agree with them, or pretend to agree with them (our thoughts).
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I see. I agree, as I said.
To me, in my opinion, you're cool as the other side of the pillow Romana. Hopefully management isn't making you do anything to destructive or evil. |
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Romana
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| Stuckasfook wrote: | | To me, in my opinion, you're cool as the other side of the pillow Romana. Hopefully management isn't making you do anything to destructive or evil. |
Not yet. So far, they are confining themselves to making us do the inefficient, banal, counterproductive, and stupid. Lucky us.
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| Lets form a resistance then. |
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lightsun
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: gaia principle |
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Annabel_Lee, C. Beck, FAthergia, Isra, Kyle, Kastor, Mayflow, Mescaline,
nonentropic, ohifwinterends, Purity, Radical Dreamer, Romana, Yarrow,
Zephyr, zillah, and any other that are positive, critical thinking, rational,
reasonable, logical, compassionate, insightful, and loving : if you were
to pick a god or goddess to identify with, which would it be?
A number of you have already responded, so thank you Fathergia,
Radical Dreamer and Romana for responding.
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Even though you didn't put me on the list, I'm assuming that I belong there due to my odd mix of egotism and insecurity..
I choose the Cow. It's skin would be made of bright blue water that constantly swirls and shivers. The surface would glisten, and just below the surface would be strange geometric patterns that slide to and fro, dissapear and reappear, and transform all the time. It would always watch where it stepped, making sure not to tread too lightly and making sure not to bump into any children. It would pretty much always be happy to be petted, except of course if it was such a rough petting that would be capable of waking it up if it were asleep. It would be female, the udders would be a source of much life. Its eyes would contain direct reflections of whatever has eyes enough to look into them. The reflection would occur on a pale blue background, which is also always glistening. The horns are only for decoration, and decorated them it has; they're covered in strange heiroglyphics which we can't comprehend and pictures of plants, which we do understand. It has given us free will, but also intelligence enough to know that free will is not free, and prices will be paid for our decisions. Its nutrious feces will spawn hallucinogenic mushrooms. It planned the mushrooms to grow because it wanted to offer us a way to get back in touch with it. It is the only way it is capable of communicating because, after all, we primates do not speak cow. That would be ridiculous. But it knows that we do not need the mushrooms, and that we can live and die without them. But that makes it sad because it really likes to talk to us, especially when we are willing to listen.
And it would lick babies' faces whenever there were any babies around. The licking would always make the babies smile and giggle, making the babies as cute as possible, even if they had a tummy ache beforehand. In fact, scientists would suggest that the tummy aches were cured by the licking in some way. |
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lightsun
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: gaia principle |
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You have intelligence.
These were beautiful descriptions of which I admire. You do seem to
have a command of language.
You have wisdom to share that is buried behind a facade
of anger, bitterness, and distrust.
I must confess, you do respond a lot but, you along with certain
(unmentionables) raise my blood pressure so I do not always respond.
I abhor negativity because it "triggers" anger in myself.
I am on a path of peace.
I ESPECIALLY like these quotes of yours.
"it has given us free will, but also intelligence enough to know that
free will is not free, and prices will be paid for our decisions"
"it would pretty much always be happy to be petted".
Meaning perhaps that you would be happy, if we did not live in an
"insane" world!
"because it really likes to talk to us especially when we are willing
to listen".
You are a smart and intelligent person, who has a command of
Language.
I will hear your wisdom, provided it is not wrapped in negativity!
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TRUTH!
I WANT TO BE HAPPY!
INFP, cognitive style MERCY!
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The one and only God is the only one worthy of the title.
While you can use some sort of religion to follow "God," there is only one true God. Your God? My God? The God of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -- John 14:6 (NKJV)
"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." -- John 5:22,23 (NKJV)
"I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." -- John 6:48-51
The God of Jesus Christ infinitely traces with the one true God's ultimate plan.
This is what happens when living your story constantly feeling eternal narration.
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." -- John 8:12
The story of all stories..
God created a multi-dimensional climax in a way so that He could experience it.
John 11:25,26 -- Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"
John 14:6-9 -- Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'"?
More: http://www.crrange.com/page11.html
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