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What, Santa doesn't exist 
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| Quote: | | I'm sick to death of having to pretend I'm agnostic because people get all butt-hurt when I make claims about my own personal beliefs, or lack thereof. |
You pretend? Does that really help? Usually people I know don't know what it means, because it isn't as popular as the term atheist, and I just have to explain it. And then they think I am atheist anyways. And then I say I am, in a way, but not the kind they are thinking of.
It is just that I really do not know. And to an extent don't really care to consider the question. People mostly assume the questions about God have significance to begin with.
My agnosticism tends to extend to the neater questions and mindnumbing meanderings in existence, such as where my consciousness could have been born of, where it came from, where it dies, and where it goes. I just do not know, and just do not want to care right now. Though I may care some times.
I agree with you, having to define yourself as different or against the majority isn't fair. But in a way, it is practical. Practical stuff can suck too.
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | | What, Santa doesn't exist |
I only said that I don't believe that Santa doesn't exist. I also don't believe god exists, so apparently my beliefs do not constitute conclusive proof for most people.
edit: Gah, I unintentionally used a double negative. I'm fired from the English language.
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Guyest85
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I think others of different beliefs feel the same way.
Like I said earlier, alot of times it becomes a your wrong pissing match.
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| The opposite is true as well, find a group of intellectuals and throw a christian in the mix and watch them totally reem the guy. Its just basic human decency, You go your way, I'll go mine, to each their own. |
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| Zephr wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: | | What, Santa doesn't exist |
I only said that I don't believe that Santa doesn't exist. I also don't believe god exists, so apparently my beliefs do not constitute conclusive proof for most people. |
Well as long as you don't believe in his nonexistence 
Why do atheist let powerless people who are devoted to what they see as a fictional character get them upset?
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | | Zephr wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: | | What, Santa doesn't exist |
I only said that I don't believe that Santa doesn't exist. I also don't believe god exists, so apparently my beliefs do not constitute conclusive proof for most people. |
Well as long as you don't believe in his nonexistence
Why do atheist let powerless people who are devoted to what they see as a fictional character get them upset? |
Sadly, I do believe in Santa's nonexistence.  That's still not very conclusive if you're not me.
Anyway, who in the world ever said that people devoted to fictional characters were powerless? They decide if I have a job, for one thing. That's a pretty big power they have over me. Apparently my entire time in the boy scouts was based off a lie, although I was unaware of it at the time.
And yes Stuckasfook, I do pretend I'm an agnostic sometimes. Mostly I just try to avoid the subject, but even if pressed I very rarely admit to believing there is no god in public. I rarely meet people who don't know what agnostic is, either. I guess agnostic is the unofficial religion of the Pacific Northwest.
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I don't think, that there might not be, a slight chance, that maybe, sometimes,
I could possibly, tend to, unbiasedly, not believe, the possibility,
that apparently, my "educated" opinion, is somehow,
usually, if, in not some way, some other, perhaps..
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| Yeah, calling believers powerless is a gross misrepresentation of what we must take into account for the future, how the present currently rolls on, and how belief has so strongly impressed the reports of our histories. |
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| Zephr wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: | | Zephr wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: | | What, Santa doesn't exist |
I only said that I don't believe that Santa doesn't exist. I also don't believe god exists, so apparently my beliefs do not constitute conclusive proof for most people. |
Well as long as you don't believe in his nonexistence
Why do atheist let powerless people who are devoted to what they see as a fictional character get them upset? |
Sadly, I do believe in Santa's nonexistence. That's still not very conclusive if you're not me. |
| Quote: | | Anyway, who in the world ever said that people devoted to fictional characters were powerless? They decide if I have a job, for one thing. That's a pretty big power they have over me. Apparently my entire time in the boy scouts was based off a lie, although I was unaware of it at the time. |
I meant people who don't have any power of coercion. There are people who are extremely devoted to what could be called fictional characters that are powerful and dangerous. I'm not denying that but I think many people are fangless yappers.
Is there any regulations protecting atheist from job discriminations?
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | | Is there any regulations protecting atheist from job discriminations? |
Only if you count atheism as a religion. Oh hey! Ohifwinterends just wants to protect my rights. She doesn't irrationally hate all atheists because of a couple jack-asses at her school after all!
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| Would it be justifiable for churches and mosques to discriminate against atheists, and not to let them be priests and stuff? =P |
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Don't be silly. I know plenty of monkeys who have made the New York Times' Best Seller List.
Did I just get raped by the Catholics?
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Zephr
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| Stuckasfook wrote: | | Would it be justifiable for churches and mosques to discriminate against atheists, and not to let them be priests and stuff? =P |
It would be pretty silly if Christian churches had to have Jewish and Muslim priests too, and those are definitely protected. All religions are exempt from all discrimination laws. It's that whole separation of church and state things that religions today don't seem to understand was designed to protect them.
Actually, any organization that's non-profit or has a very small number of employees is exempt from equal opportunity laws. It would be pretty ridiculous if a family run small business had to go hire a white person because they only had family members as employees and they were all asian. Also the KKK, unfortunately, is not required to have black members. They don't make money, so they're protected under the right to peaceably assemble. As long as they're peaceable, that is.
That actually reminds me of something incredibly stupid that always pisses me off. Some churches seem to be opposed to the idea of gay marriage because they think that their church would start having to perform them. That's completely untrue. Churches can still refuse to perform interracial marriages if they're that dumb. What makes them think that they'd have to perform gay marriages? Churches are allowed to discriminate all they want.
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| KNL wrote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism
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That's a little bit much for me, but this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism, which is generally considered to be about the same thing) seems to sum up what I believe pretty well. At least the first definition. Reproduced here for your viewing pleasure:
| Wikipedia wrote: | | The view that a coherent definition of God must be presented before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. Furthermore, if that definition cannot be falsified, the ignostic takes the theological noncognitivist position that the question of the existence of God (per that definition) is meaningless. In this case, the concept of God is not considered meaningless; the term "God" is considered meaningless. |
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