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| Guyest85 wrote: | | Quote: | | People who are religious purely because everybody else is (which I think accounts for 60-80% of believers) are the same kind of people who should have nothing to do with an institution which tells them what to think. |
I'd rather pretend that you didn't say this. Cause I'd like to think your intelligent. |
What was unintelligent about it? When I hear about a policeman tearing up a Koran in Greece, and the reaction of the Muslims in that town is rioting, then I start thinking "sheep mentality". Not all of those people are fanatics at heart, I'm pretty sure that most of them are just following what someone more involved said. Someone who is a true believer because he figured that out himself. The rest are just sheep. Just like the people who get married in churches because their mom and dad did, who are "religious" because that's what their friends and relatives are. They seldom come to their own conclusions about the big issues, they just follow the people who do. In my experience, those people outnumber the true believers.
But I agree with you on Dawkins, I watched a couple of minutes of one of his documentaries once and I didn't bother watching because he's just like the religious fanatics, he's just on the other side.
But yeah you got intuition right. But it's more like a summary of experience, intelligence and knowledge into something a bit intangible than faith, I think.
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | It's plausible. It could be about epigenetics. It could be about influencing the epigenetics of the people around them. It could literally be anything. There might not be some evolutionary reason why it happens. A parent or grandparent is affected by a random environmental toxin and passes the affects epigenetically a couple generations.
It could be anything:
"Petronis hopes that epigenetics may be the missing link. He found greater similarities between psychiatric patients in regards to epigenetic make-up, than when comparing these psychiatric patients to their own identical twins."
"Any two random people share 99.7 per cent of their DNA, but at the epigenetic level, people are very, very different," Petronis says.
"Things that may not receive a lot of thought in our lives, such as; the food we eat, the chemicals we are exposed to, our social interactions, and even our family’s behaviors toward us, can all have a much more significant impact on our genetic functioning than previously thought."
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/003842.html |
Epigenetics (not specifically referred to only in the case of a disorder) is basically another way of saying that what contributes to schizophrenia may be an intrinsic genetic code but it may also not be. Or moreover, that it may have a genetic component but that the phenotypic expression of genetic modulations isn't always an inherent set up and can be influenced by other factors (such as the environment and lifestyle choices!). Twin studies usually show that monozygotic (identical) twins brought up in different environments show a higher degree of epigenetic differences than those that aren't. So really Rad, what we're saying isn't different after all.
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| Thrusthamster wrote: | | I think the world needs faith, but would be better off without religion. People who are religious purely because everybody else is (which I think accounts for 60-80% of believers) are the same kind of people who should have nothing to do with an institution which tells them what to think. |
No one should have anything to do with an institution that tells him/her what to think. I do not care what someone's faith is, but I have little patience for people who have not thought through their faith themselves, and understand exactly what it is they believe, and why.
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| Zephr wrote: | | I'm not suggesting eugenics here. Science does not and should not make moral judgments about how people "should" be. That's not science's job. However, I believe our current attitude that everyone is always equal period end of discussion no more talking just shut up now anyone who ever even suggests it's possible that it might be a good idea to find out if we're actually right is the devil (inhale) is incredibly stupid and ignorant. |
People can be equal only in a moral or legal sense, as in "equal justice under the law", or "equal value in the eyes of God". By more objective measures, like size, health, abilities, etc. we are all different. If equality is considered sameness, then no two people are truly equal.
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A bunch of snowflakes.
| http://www.helium.com/items/1424788-why-do-snowflakes-have-6-sides wrote: | There is one question that many people have had on their minds for years though. Why does a snowflake have six sides?
The anatomy of a snowflake can be answered through a scientific look at it.
Each snowflake is unique in its size and shape. The fact that they are all six sided remains that same though.
The oxygen in the center is the negative force and the hydrogen, which forms the "arms" are the positive force.
This pulls the two particles together. The angle of the hydrogen "arms" is 104.5 degrees.
This creates the beginning of the snowflake. |
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: atheism might as well be considered a religion |
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I think that anything that can not be explained as of yet is attributed to god.
It is the unknown.
There is SO much that we don't know.
We need an explanation.
We use metaphors to describe things we may not know the truth of.
These metaphors are written down.
People hold on to it to explain reality.
It is taken as truth.
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: atheism might as well be considered a religion |
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Faith and religion are not necessarily synonymous.
I think true religion naturally equates SOME deity, or higher powers.
Atheism negates this, so would not be a religion.
An atheist, however, can have faith in his atheism.
(I am not an atheist)
I am agnostic.
(there may be a God, I don't KNOW)!
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: atheism might as well be considered a religion |
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To throw psychology into the mix.
Our brains FOOL us all the time.
Every day we have thoughts, beliefs, and feelings we believe in, even
passionately, and we aren't correct.
This is just ONE of the reasons why police eye witnesses put innocent
people on death row.
Which one of "knows" the TRUTH.
I don't believe I do.
Our perceptions are if not entirely faulty, at least not entirely correct.
Our brains fool us.
Many, many times are feelings fool us.
Just because we "FEEL" it to be true, don't make it true.
I realize our perceptions and knowledge base may be wrong.
This is why I keep (try) an open mind.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcjF7MN8oKI
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: atheism might as well be considered a religion |
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RadcalDreamer, " Why do atheist (and agnostic) let powerless people who are
devoted to what the see as a fictional character get them upset"?
Good question.
It seems there is something in us to (1) seek truth (2) seek unity and closeness,
to be part of the interrelated whole.
Anything that frustrates that triggers a whole host of highly irrational behaviors.
We try to argue the other to our point.
If they don't get OUR point, then there is something wrong with "them".
They can't see, feel, touch our "TRUTHS", which are only "perceptions",
and not THE TRUTH, which none of us TRULY "KNOWS"!
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: atheism might as well be considered a religion |
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Kyle, "They believe in God without realizing that the are believing in God".
This may be so in some cases.
People think of god in different ways.
People's concepts of god and what they call god or consider god are different
as well.
I believe that we are all interrelated.
I believe that we are chemical and energy beings.
I have no explanation for how we are so interrelated,
ALMOST in a "magical" & mystical sense.
We apparently can achieve various "mystical" states
that are sometimes hard to fathom.
There are many things we do not know.
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| Romana wrote: | | Zephr wrote: | | I'm not suggesting eugenics here. Science does not and should not make moral judgments about how people "should" be. That's not science's job. However, I believe our current attitude that everyone is always equal period end of discussion no more talking just shut up now anyone who ever even suggests it's possible that it might be a good idea to find out if we're actually right is the devil (inhale) is incredibly stupid and ignorant. |
People can be equal only in a moral or legal sense, as in "equal justice under the law", or "equal value in the eyes of God". By more objective measures, like size, health, abilities, etc. we are all different. If equality is considered sameness, then no two people are truly equal. |
I think people should each individually be treated as the unique entity that they are. The term equality does imply a sameness that isn't really there, and I think that, unfortunately, our society is trying to enforce that sameness in the name of fairness.
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How would you distinguish the real truth from a mere perception?
You can determine truth by stepping out of your comfort box and seeing how reality handles it.
Do you think people that wear black clothes are negative and evil?
Should we not be allowed to wear black clothes?
Where should we draw the line?
Are you scared of people that say FUCK! really loud?
Feeling so safe with positive thoughts, that's like Kindergarten, or training wheels.
Black clothes are not evil.
Eminem says that he is going to kill you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oboymzFgIhU
In this song, Snoop Dogg says that his name is Serial Killa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2bd946nnGA
"Leave you in a state of paranoia"
Discovery of truth leads to evolution and new thoughts.
Truth opens up a new precision of truths to consider.
Do you spend much time outside of your comfort box?
Is your comfort box your permanent comfort box?
Shouldn't it be ever expanding?
Regardless of the stimuli,
you should be able to feel at peace with yourself at all times.
You should build tolerance for things you perceive as negative,
otherwise negativity is controlling you.
If you hate negativity, then you are a hater. 
How would a good person that likes black clothes feel about others' hate for people that wear black clothes?
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Btw, Isra.... Cool video Cake & Army of Darkness
Kinda scary though (kidding)
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We are all interrelated because we all developed from similar instruction manuals. DNA... Parts of our DNA are identical. hehehe
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