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just me · Advanced Member Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 171

Any guesses? Just curious if anyone knows or has even pondered the thought other than myself/

DreamingOne · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:13 am Post subject:

No, I never wondered. Don't know anything about him. But what the heck, it's an interesting question!

C.G. Alt · Advanced Member Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 576

He was as utilitarian as one could get....therefore, no F at all.

DreamingOne · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:49 am Post subject:

Hmm. That makes sense. Well, definitely a J, right? Definitely N. I was thinking F because of the obsession with family, and the way he got along with kids, and the whole 'tenderness of feeling' thing, and the bit about him weeping in view of others at his mother's grave...but maybe that's not enough justification. So, an NTJ, you think? Are you sure about that? I don't know. I think he may very well have been an NFJ, based on that chunk of research I found. But I don't know anything else about him. *shrugs* It's hard to figure out his first and second functions based on almost zero information, lol! But you know...an F could be utilitarian.

My aunt is an ENFJ and she thinks men who rape women or molest children should be castrated so they can never do it again, and less people will suffer. She also is seriously pro-Bush's war on Iraq--she's seriously pro-Bush, period--even though innocent people get hurt. She thinks more peace will be brought about in the long run, and is very much interested in 'the greater good'. But I swear, she's the nicest person you'll ever meet. lol.
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C.G. Alt · Advanced Member Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 576

I cannot say whether he is E, N or J; I don't know enough about him. I have only speculated whether he is T/F because I think this distinction is more evident:

Being a prophet requires having few scruples. Muhammed led battles against enemy tribes, forced jews and other infidels to conversion, and heck, even ordered the assassination of poets who wrote satirical poems about him. While an F may have utilitarian convictions, such as your aunt, the question is whether an F could be utilitarian over a long period when it involves having others killed in order to further a cause. Your aunt is not the one issuing the orders. She is distanced from the problem. On the other hand, Muhammed had to make such decisions, and that over a long course of time. Could an F issue such orders over an entire lifetime? Could an F be consistent in keeping emotions and reason apart?

NB! I am not implying that lack of scruples/utilitarian thought is an inherent trait of T-types. What I am saying is that a person with those traits most likely would test as a T on a personality test.

DreamingOne · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

just me · Advanced Member Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 171

Yes, it is going nowhere fast. Seems I remember reading somewhere how a person can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. Contradictions happen. Exceptions to the rule happen. Would it be easier to guess the personality of Jesus?

Can other personality traits exist? Can a person act as an F and show traits of a T ? Can a person claim to be an F and in actuality be a T ? It can sometimes be a real test to infer an ineffable thought one might feel and not completely understand. Can feelings sometimes lack words to describe them?

Could an F be consistent in keeping emotions and reason apart? unquote
I sometimes feel reason a very integral part of emotions when I ponder them later. Emotions are almost certainly a very real part of reason. To attempt separating the two is a thought I must ponder over the coming days or weeks. In any event, thanks for the responses. Guess I am just thinking aloud. Good to have some feedback.
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Toby · Advanced Member Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 2441

I have very many arab-american friends, and I love them. I go to their weddings and all that. I respect certain things about their religion. By no means am I an intolerant or close minded person. Although we've never talked about religion (it's not an issue for us) we are really great long term friends.

But aside from that, I am allowed to have my own opinions and feelings about islam, even though I love people who adhere to it. Muhammed created an enslaving religion, as most people do when they start creating religion. And not only that, he made sure it entrenches itself very well into culture, so separation from it means separation from your culture and your people. It also means cultural aspects that were around at that time, stay alive forever. And that I view as very negative. If we teleported to 7th centure Saudi Arabia right now, we would be appalled. Sure there are positive aspects, but there's a reason why people advance.

That's not even my problem though. Because people can make it work for them. And a lot of things, people just don't mind, and that's alright. My problem is just, how little love from God they feel. Sad

God is still unknowable. Like a distant object. And it never talks back. That's everyone's problem, I think. And it shouldn't be. But that's me digressing again.

Muhammed made God cold, selfish, and distant. Confused

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just me · Advanced Member Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 171

Toby, I must recognize your disclosure with great respect. I, too, do not wish to stir strife with others in the world. I, too, have a right to my own thoughts and interpretations. I even have a right to speak my peace, and I try not to subdue others of different beliefs with my words. The more I delve into world religions, world problems, personality traits, people, and incidents; the more I try to see credence in a teaching laid out by a prophet; the more I understand something it seems few others can understand. I questioned my
beliefs with earnest desire to know and understand with great fervor. I can question other beliefs in the same manners and have done no wrong to another. It has come to a point in my sporadic studies, not having the opportunity to concentrate daily, to ponder the man. I see him as a very smart man, cunning in his ways, and as goal-oriented as they come. I attempt understanding his goals and can understand why you feel as you do.
I see two personalities, with one having much more demeanor as the other.
What I want to see I have not seen yet. What I wish to see may not ever reveal itself to me if it even exists. What I feel I cannot utter without causing others unpleasant thoughts. What I seek is what everyone should seek. My emotions overwhelm my reason, though I feel reason must be a tool used to achieve my desires: reason for those others involved.
Back to the basics...I know how they are taught to feel about me and how I am taught to feel about them. That knowledge is not enough for my mind
and my heart.

DreamingOne · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:03 am Post subject:

lightsun

I don't know enough about him.
Based on the current state of affairs in the world, I think it is an important question.
It bears further looking into.
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lightsun · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: what personality was muhammed?

As far as the answer, I do not know. Perhaps C.Beck, Annabel_Lee, etc., might hazard a
guess.
The problem is that no one (well 9 people have been on) has been on the site since late
June due to the hacked site!!
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I want PEACE!
I want to UNDERSTAND the nature
of distortions, distractions, &
illusions that keep us from the
TRUTH!
I WANT TO BE HAPPY!
INFP, cognitive style MERCY!
eneeagram #9!!
Zodiac "cancer"