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Hi everyone!
I'm at a point in my life where I have to make some key career decisions etc. and decided to explore my MBTI. I used to score INTJ but now I'm consistently scoring ISTJ - but I'm not the perfect fit for that either, but close. I think it may be that I tend to score close to the center in a lot of the subcategories.
Anyhow, this looks like a great place.
Introverted (I) 53.33% Extroverted (E) 46.67%
Sensing (S) 67.65% Intuitive (N) 32.35%
Thinking (T) 57.14% Feeling (F) 42.86%
Judging (J) 55.56% Perceiving (P) 44.44%
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Hello back at ya!
Welcome to the forum. 
What career choices/decisions are you deciding between? |
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Weez
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Strangley enough I have a degree in Interior Design - probably because of my strong visual-spacial skills and eye for detail. I've worked in furniture and antiques for a while then took a break to raise my kids. OK, I'm OLD!  Now I'm working as a typical Interior Designer and I don't like it. I'm really stressed by it. It's like I'm good at figuring out what is WRONG with a space, but I just don't think I'm creative enough. So, right now I'm thinking of quitting my job and possibly becoming a professional organizer, or something similar. I originally decided to study Design because my friends used to call me Martha Stewart Jr. and loved what I had done to my own home - the organization, the details and even the decor. Yet I'm not happy doing it for others.
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Yeah, maybe interior design as a career isn’t for you then. A professional organizer sounds cool. You should go for it, Martha Stewart Jr! Haha.
But good luck with whatever you end up deciding to do =) |
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Welcome to the forums... 
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Weeeeeez, maybe you should specialize and find a partner or a design firm to work for where all you have to do is judge final products and find them fit for usage or not.
Professional organizer also sounds like a solid job for you.
Good luck on that, and Welcome to the forums!
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Weez
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Thanks for the warm welcome!
Another related field I'm thinking about is Staging for Real-Estate. That's where either a homeowner or realtor would hire me to evaluate a home before it goes up for sale. I'd basically recommend fixes, what stays, what goes type of thing. It doesn't really involve much complicated creativity. I'd just really have to get over my fear of realtors - not sure what types most of them are but they seem polar opposite of me! 
Not sure if I should just continue here or start a new thread but I'd love to know what you think about the ways that I'm different than an ISTJ. Am I just a typical variant or am I in the wrong category?
- I can be introverted and extaverted. If I've been alone a lot, I crave companionshiop and if I've been in a group for a long time then I want to spend some time alone. I need both.
- I look equally well at long-term and short-term goals. I have my fincial plan in place until I'm 90 (but I update it every year). I think about the future A LOT.
- I am very image concious. Love expensive designer bags, etc. But I'm not naturally gifted at fashion - I read a lot of books/magazines about it, which has worked out well.
- I am into some creative hobbies - fashion, decorating, photography (mostly for practical reasons though).I want to look good, I want my house to look good and I want to document our lives with my camera.
- am a bit of a thrill-seeker. More so when I was younger. I'm still the biggest roller-coaster/amusement-park junkie and travel to Florida usually twice a year. I'm also into down-hill skiing.
- I'm not as conservative as ISTJs. I'm a mostly a libertarian.
- I waste a lot of time. I tend to overschedule myself, then run out of steam and spend two days doing absolutely nothing, rinse, repeat.
- Took a personality quiz in a magazine many years ago and the result was "Frusterated Perfectionist" and that was absolutely correct. I design fancy schedules, plans etc. I love to create a 'system' for absolutely everything - meal plans, outfits to wear with precise peices of jewelry, etc. but do I keep up with it - NO It seems that creating the system/schedule/program is more exciting for me that implementing it. So by the time I've created one, I'm busy researching/contemplating my next one. Though most people don't know this, they see me as incredibly competent and productive. It's like I'm meant to be a J, but my strong P tendencies keep interfering!
What do you all think?
I believe that the info below may be slightly more accurate than what's in the box.
Introverted (I) 53.33% Extroverted (E) 46.67%
Sensing (S) 67.65% Intuitive (N) 32.35%
Thinking (T) 57.14% Feeling (F) 42.86%
Judging (J) 55.56% Perceiving (P) 44.44%
EDIT - after further exploration, I might need to switch the T for an F and that may explain me better. ??
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Hello Weez
Here is my understanding of the building blocks of the personality theory.
Te - Organization, sequencing, ordering. Ex. Organizing books in alphabetical order. Organizing information in a post.
Ti - using principles, internal framework. Ex. scientific method
Fe - focus on other people's likes or dislikes and social norms, expressing pleasure "greasing the wheels" or displeasure at someone. It is about remembering important things about others and taking their feelings in consideration when making decisions. Ex. We need a new pet. Jo-Anne likes Rabbits.. We will get a rabbit!
Fi - focus on your own likes and dislikes and personal values. You feel kinship with people who have similar values as your own. Ex. I like video games.
Se - Focus on physical data such as color, tone, shape (not analyzing it/thinking of meaning, just experiencing it) and empirical information such as the Dow fell 387.18, or 2.83 percent, to 13,270.68.
Ni - focuses on symbolism sort of sees what may happen. You conceptualize the full plan, or pattern but it's kind of fuzzy, lacking the exact facts of Sensor information. There is a feeling of sureness in it's correctness. Ex. There will be a Depression on the horizon.
Si - comparing/contrasting information with past experiences. Ex. Comparing the facts concerning the market today with the market in the 1930s. It could be smelling the roses, recalling the smell of roses from another time.
Ne - Is inferring meaning, hypothesizing. You have information, beliefs, theories and your brain ties them together, as your looking at things from various points of view, accepting that all might be correct. Ex. Why do you think that I posted this information instead of talking about personality types themselves?
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Weez
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Thanks! That's very helpful. I'm going to give it some thought and also ask a few people close to me what they think.
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zillah
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Hi Weez.
| Weez wrote: | | took a break to raise my kids. OK, I'm OLD! |
All the ISTJ mammas put yo hands in the air!
| Weez wrote: | | Now I'm working as a typical Interior Designer and I don't like it. I'm really stressed by it. It's like I'm good at figuring out what is WRONG with a space, but I just don't think I'm creative enough. |
Oh god, I SO know what you mean by that.
| Weez wrote: | | So, right now I'm thinking of quitting my job and possibly becoming a professional organizer, or something similar. |
Yeah, I think I might be good at that too! Check out this book, it has a great organising system: http://www.amazon.com/Organizing-Inside-Out-second-Foolproof/dp/0805075895/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8070800-7172732?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186753816&sr=8-1
| Weez wrote: | | I originally decided to study Design because my friends used to call me Martha Stewart Jr. and loved what I had done to my own home - the organization, the details and even the decor. Yet I'm not happy doing it for others. |
Yeah... it's different when all the details have personal significance... Knowing and caring what will make strange people happy, all day every day, is best left to Fs I think. Stress!
| Weez wrote: | | Staging for Real-Estate. That's where either a homeowner or realtor would hire me to evaluate a home before it goes up for sale. I'd basically recommend fixes, what stays, what goes type of thing. It doesn't really involve much complicated creativity. I'd just really have to get over my fear of realtors - not sure what types most of them are but they seem polar opposite of me! |
I soooooo know what you mean by that as well!! (My ex and I used to buy and sell houses.) They are from another planet, especially the women. Their whole job revolves around building phony relationships, manipulating people and playing headgames with them. NOT ISTJ territory.
I used to be terrified of them, but they're really not scary, most are highly uneducated and many are downright stupid. Most of them use the same standard lines of bullshit as each other and many can be relied upon to act unethically (since they make more money that way). Once you can see through that, it should demystify them a bit. There's a great book on this called Confessions of a Real Estate Agent by Terry Ryder, unfortunately since it's Australian it won't be in any USA libraries, assuming that's where you are.
Having said all that! I'd say you would be a great candidate for staging if it would interest you. For the same reasons that you can see what's wrong with the design of a space. |
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| Weez wrote: | I'd love to know what you think about the ways that I'm different than an ISTJ. Am I just a typical variant or am I in the wrong category?
- I can be introverted and extaverted. If I've been alone a lot, I crave companionshiop and if I've been in a group for a long time then I want to spend some time alone. I need both. |
Hey, we can be introverts without being hermits. I need lots of downtime, but my social life is still part of the overall system of having a good life.
| Weez wrote: | | - I look equally well at long-term and short-term goals. I have my fincial plan in place until I'm 90 (but I update it every year). I think about the future A LOT. |
But that's YOUR future, as opposed to THE future. What will be seen on the catwalks of high fashion next year? What technological advances will change our lives in the coming decade? What about the evolution of consciousness? Does this sort of thing interest you, in its abstract form? (Nano angels on the head of a pin?) I hate it.
| Weez wrote: | | - I am very image concious. Love expensive designer bags, etc. But I'm not naturally gifted at fashion - I read a lot of books/magazines about it, which has worked out well. |
I'm image conscious too and have a strong sense of style, but yeah, manifesting that in my actual wardrobe is a process I find challenging.
| Weez wrote: | | - I am into some creative hobbies - fashion, decorating, photography (mostly for practical reasons though).I want to look good, I want my house to look good and I want to document our lives with my camera. |
Sounds great to me.
| Weez wrote: | | - am a bit of a thrill-seeker. More so when I was younger. I'm still the biggest roller-coaster/amusement-park junkie and travel to Florida usually twice a year. I'm also into down-hill skiing. |
I Love my thrills. But they are in a comfort zone, if you know what I mean. I don't go around flinging myself into a lot of new or random things.
| Weez wrote: | | - I'm not as conservative as ISTJs. I'm a mostly a libertarian. |
I'm not conservative at all. Sometimes I think all the literature on ISTJs is based on 60 year old men. But, compared to other people I would consider as being of the same generation and subculture, I'm definitely one of the feet on the ground, methodical folk, as opposed to the more groovy doovy NF hippie types, who quite often talk as if they have smoked wayyyyy too much crack (apologies to Rocky).
| Weez wrote: | | - I waste a lot of time. I tend to overschedule myself, then run out of steam and spend two days doing absolutely nothing, rinse, repeat. |
You too? I want stability so much, but life is always seems to be cycling between various opposing things. I've accepted that in fact stasis is a mirage and life is meant to be a goddamn rollercoaster. I figure if I wasn't SJ, I wouldn't even be looking for the stability. Having some kind of overall balance between self, kids, friends, parents, action, contemplation, learning... is so important though. Dynamic stability. 
| Weez wrote: | | - Took a personality quiz in a magazine many years ago and the result was "Frusterated Perfectionist" and that was absolutely correct. I design fancy schedules, plans etc. I love to create a 'system' for absolutely everything - meal plans, outfits to wear with precise peices of jewelry, etc. but do I keep up with it - NO It seems that creating the system/schedule/program is more exciting for me that implementing it. So by the time I've created one, I'm busy researching/contemplating my next one. Though most people don't know this, they see me as incredibly competent and productive. It's like I'm meant to be a J, but my strong P tendencies keep interfering! |
I don't see that as P! I think making all those plans is J spinning its wheels, this is the tendency that makes some Js virtually OCD with their unnecessary controllingness. I used to do that so much before I got chronic fatigue syndrome. I remember as a kid looking out the window when we were driving the car - I would be looking at EVERYTHING going, "when I'm a grown up I'm going to put that over there instead, and get rid of those ugly powerlines, and that grass needs cutting, and I'll put a horse in that empty paddock, and..." just EVERYTHING I saw needed changing. I felt this kind of perfectionistic tension inside all the time wanting to change everything. Having CFS (age 18 onwards) taught me when to just leave things alone. I'm so good at it now, in fact there are many things I leave alone a bit too much.
You might find the Kolbe Conative Index interesting (kolbe.com) - I suspect that like me (and my dad who's also ISTJ), you're a Fact Finder, whose main impulse is to research and investigate. Actually running systems is another impulse entirely (Follow Thru). I have this same problem with always wanting to be researching and not so interested in implementation - although I can handle implementation, that impulse will get drained far quicker than my instinct for research, which is virtually bottomless.
| Weez wrote: | | EDIT - after further exploration, I might need to switch the T for an F and that may explain me better. ?? |
From what you've said, could be, could be... Let me know if you want a good ISFJ type description, I've got better ones here in books than are on the net. |
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Hi Zillah,
Sounds like we are quite similar!
I already have that book you mentioned by Julie Morgenstern and I also have the one she wrote on time management. I'm rereading it again right now because I find myself taking on too much then needing too much recovery time. I'm trying to train myself to work more consistently. I think I would be happier and less stressed if I could get that under control.
| Quote: | | I soooooo know what you mean by that as well!! (My ex and I used to buy and sell houses.) They are from another planet, especially the women. Their whole job revolves around building phony relationships, manipulating people and playing headgames with them. NOT ISTJ territory. |
Aha! So true. I'm just incredibly anti-BS so these types really bother me. Actually a couple have called me, and want me to do things for them for free and so forth. I have no interest in their games.
| Quote: | | But that's YOUR future, as opposed to THE future. What will be seen on the catwalks of high fashion next year? What technological advances will change our lives in the coming decade? What about the evolution of consciousness? Does this sort of thing interest you, in its abstract form? |
Good point! NO I have no interest in random speculation about the future in the abstract form. I care either from a personal standpoint or based on what is happening now. Since I love nature, I worry about the environment and our planet, but I base that on what's going on right now.
| Quote: | | I'm not conservative at all. Sometimes I think all the literature on ISTJs is based on 60 year old men |
I think so!
| Quote: | | You too? I want stability so much, but life is always seems to be cycling between various opposing things. I've accepted that in fact stasis is a mirage and life is meant to be a goddamn rollercoaster. I figure if I wasn't SJ, I wouldn't even be looking for the stability. Having some kind of overall balance between self, kids, friends, parents, action, contemplation, learning... is so important though. Dynamic stability |
That's a very good point about if you weren't an SJ you wouldn't even be trying. I have a hubby and three kids (ages 9-14) all I suspect P's (two of whom are officially ADD/ADHD) and none of them seem to care in the slightest about routine, stability, etc. I may not always be successful -- but heck, I'm trying!
| Quote: | | I remember as a kid looking out the window when we were driving the car - I would be looking at EVERYTHING going, "when I'm a grown up I'm going to put that over there instead, and get rid of those ugly powerlines, and that grass needs cutting, and I'll put a horse in that empty paddock, and..." just EVERYTHING I saw needed changing. I felt this kind of perfectionistic tension inside all the time wanting to change everything. |
I was like that also. I can totally relate to the perfectionistic tension you mentioned. But as I've gotten older I'm realizing that being too perfectionistic means that I'll never be satisfied. So I'm making a huge effort to slow down and smell the roses instead of just always trying to look at ways things can be improved or fixed.
| Quote: | | From what you've said, could be, could be... Let me know if you want a good ISFJ type description, I've got better ones here in books than are on the net |
Yes, I'd love to read that ISFJ description. I'm still not sure which is closer to me. I can find myself in both of them. I even asked my husband to read both descriptions and he said "I think it's a tie." I'm trying to distinguish the two but they do sound quite similar.
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Welcome!
Sounds like a good and interesting job! How about teaching the rest of us how to notice those details, since as an N, my head is in the clouds too often. n_n |
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| xano wrote: | Welcome!
Sounds like a good and interesting job! How about teaching the rest of us how to notice those details, since as an N, my head is in the clouds too often. n_n |
Same here - sometimes having S friends and family isn't enough. I'm bound to forget quite a number of things... 
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Thanks for the welcome!
Sorry, but I'm just not sure how it could be taught! In my case it started when I was young and I was quite particular about my OWN surroundings. I wanted a feather or down pillow, no polyester for me. I also cared quite a bit about decorating my own bedroom and I was thrilled when I was allowed to pick my own wallpaper and order a bedding set from the Sears catalog. I must have been 7 or 8 at the time. However, I was quite a slob as a child (which is why I wonder if I'm not really a semi-reformed P) and it wasn't until I moved out to go to college that I cared again. When I got my own place, I took great care of it and it was initially very COMFORTABLE. Then I got into painting, wallpapering, a little sewing and the rest is history! Mostly though, I did it to save money, then it became a hobby, then I started helping others. Always the practical one!
I went back and did the MBTI as a teen/young adult and now I'm coming out as ISFP. Geez!
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