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Kyle
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| YofterMofter wrote: | | Another wrote: | | YofterMofter wrote: | | Another wrote: | | Lucian is a realist. Is that realism, or engineering. |
It's porn. |
For you, Mofter
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Ty! I like this one too. Lines and lighting everywhere, like in that first one. |
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Mofter was, of course, (to the best of our knowledge) - joking, but Photobucket isn't.
Painter And Model - With Teacups
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This thread is changing the world...
And those teacups gotta go. 
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The teacups are just so perfectly... beautifully... absurd.
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K- Thanks for enabling us to see the painting in it's entirety.
Julia / Willow - Tee hee  CG. - very Glad. Xin -  O yes.
Kyle,
In answer to your post...and in general explanation...(as far as I can take it at this point-)
| Kyle wrote: | | Another wrote: | To attempt realism in personal action - in word - in art form - is to contract to
dissemble in some degree. |
Actions/words/art are skewed similar to the transmitter's skewed reality.
To me, realism reveals to the audience how the creator is distorting his/her world. |
Ok. I can see why you say this - personal perception is the stronger definition of originality - true.
But what I was trying to examine was the link between genuineness and originality in Realism. Because realism in any medium
consists of a lot of artificial manufacturing. ( This is why I referred to the world stage, for instance when people recreate
a semblance of realism in business transactions that have been thoroughly premeditated. )
| Another wrote: | Realism is similar to the
Shakespearean view of the world stage. It's unavoidable that we
enter into an (unspoken) contract to engineer when we attempt it, because
any act of delivery is construction.
(But therein is also some strong element of what we call 'ourselves') |
I'm trying to work out what lead Lucian to make this statement (at head of thread) and I figured that it came out his own relation
to his paintings. And then it got me wondering whether there was any necessary link at all between genuineness and originality.
I think its generally taken for granted in western society that a high level of originality will have 'sprung forth' from
an artist's genuine nature.- or core. (And as Rad commented , it's also taken for granted that Originality (With the big O) is
important too. (Warhol created himself by twisting this societally accepted premise, but for all that didn't crack
it's back - but instead perpetuated the myth! A tidy paradox.)
Perhaps I didn't express this well and wont again here either. lol
Premeditation in realism: For instance, if we examine every move that went into creating the carpet, for instance,( to clarify what
I meant initially above by the word 'engineering') every little action of Lucian's, examining the
premeditative quality of each action = all the engineering he worked towards the end effect of realism...
- K - in posts here you've mentioned a process- what I term 'clean motion' that is motion (as I understand it) that
has been learnt at one point - then transfered over to the unconscious - so that it is then automatic, and
thinking will actually hinder it's progression in action. I thought this was interesting at the time and I wondered with
relevance to this topic- Is this 'clean' automatic motion more genuine because it emerges from the unconscious mixed up with a lot of unconscious mud mix presentable as the artists genuine core? Because this is the functional base of what we (as a group)are talking
about when we accept the societal notion of 'core genuine originality'.
| Another wrote: | Is the genuine in abstraction? I'll find some work of artist
Cy Twombly. I suppose the question I am asking is
the genuine closer to the core of abstracted subjectivity? |
| Kyle wrote: | | I'm not sure what you mean by this... |
Here's what I mean -and never explained - Look here - here's one of Cy Twombly's below.
Because it's more abstracted - because he's made no attempt at engineering realism, is it more
original? And is it more genuine? Does it flow from his personal unconscious mud mix in a
more direct way? Oddly the effacing of himself is similar to the artificial
distancing of engineering in realism.
And if genuine IS important to originality, and originalty = worth or
being of societal value... therefore is a Twombly work more important than a Lucian work?
I ask this - not to place values on artists. But to ask - what do we strive for, and is the drive towards the original important?
(Here's also a blurb, too, discussing originality when it comes to this piece of Twomby's work...
"The canvas plays obviously with the painted gesture, but the blankness of the image denies its own trace of the living artist. The chalky marks could almost have been left by anyone, great as the effort required might be. The eraser could have been wielded by someone else again. Abstract Expressionism has, one wants to say, been sent back to school."
Cy Twombly, Untitled, 1958
sorry for delay on posting...
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- not there yet but I'll get there
I just read all this and thought - In T's abstractionism the idea is more important than the man, but
the originality of the idea is the prize. - A
As an addition + the pushing of originality is pragmatical. Pushed
like procreation to aid (envisioned) 'progression'
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I went to the Freud exhibition today. It was splendid. I was, however, disappointed by the lack of teacups.  |
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i'm original. hurray!
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| C.G. Alt wrote: | | I went to the Freud exhibition today. It was splendid. I was, however, disappointed by the lack of teacups. |
Great you got to see it, CG
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