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[jparagons]

So the wing idea is wrong, eh? That would certainly explain why some type/wing combinations seem so rare (i.e. 9w8, 4w3).

Do you intend to bring back mean/wing typing by re-ordering the types (assuming that winds up being possible)?

How do the types statistically correlate, anyway? Is it by how often people tend to share the traits of multiple types (though that is similar to wing theory, it doesn't necessarily imply each type having only two other types to borrow from)? Assuming that's the case, which traits tend to be associated with each other the most?

I'm very curious to see any new information/findings you've got.

[meta]

i may bring back mean typing based on how the types actually relate... i will add changes, release findings at some point.

[Vagabond]

I don't think the wing idea is wrong. I find it more probable than the theory of "pure" types, as I have yet to see a person bearing a pure type. Even in theory, a pure type would allow less possibilities to evolve and change - it is a sterile theory.
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[meta]

just because wing theory is inaccurate, does not advance a theory of pure types... on the contrary, i think the whole type spectrum (1-9) is relevant.

wing type theory only works if the types correlate as they are ordered, and they don't. jp listed the two most obvious non correlating pairs 4w3 and 8w9.

i think listing your top two or three scoring types (or the two or three types you relate to most if you are test phobic) would be the most useful typing indicator and might add sensibility to the enneagram system (of course sensibility and the enneagram might never comingle).

possible multiple type formats....

2 top scoring types - 5w9 or 59
3 top scoring types - 598
4 top scoring types - 5986
all types - 598671243

when you realize the types don't correlate as they are ordered, and you look back at people new to the enneagram, you will find frequent confusion about the wing system, and a general tendency to think what they scored second as (or related to their second strongest type) made more sense as their wing.

naranjo who all the current authors took the original bulk of their enneagram type descriptions and understanding from does not support wing theory (and though naranjo is no model of the scientific method, he has some history of empirical research and understanding of statistics compared to the current crop of ena authors).

if wing theory or integration/disintegration points work... that would become very apparent in peoples type ordering... but most peoples top types (even on tests written by authors who propound these theories) don't affirm these theories.

[pulnimar]

Possibly works with my hypothesis that ennea arrows, or mappings of the socionics/jungian systems (Ti with auxillaries, eg) says something about the fundamental stucture of the brain. Unfortunately, I have yet to develop my own database and have no ready access to a current database (much less fMRI data, etc).

[tim505]

meta and pulnimar: what is your academic background?
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[meta]

grade school drop out.