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| PitKnight wrote: | | Major LOL at this thread.... Khendra (BCAL) knows why haha. |
Fours.
Always namedropping. : )
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Hey, I got really interested in this and now nobody wants to talk about it any more! 
Going through the ENTJ description from Art of Speedreading People, http://similarminds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1541&start=30 , it's amusingly accurate in describing John Lennon, with nothing much that would indicate a mismatch. So I'm happy with that.
This in particular gave me a grin - | Quote: | | ENTJs sometimes have difficulty striking a healthy balance between their work and home life, becoming so preoccupied with furthering their careers that they sacrifice their family and personal life in the process. Not surprisingly, reevaluating their priorities in midlife is an activity many ENTJs find worthwhile. |
- John recognised that he hadn't been involved enough with Julian (his son from his 1st marriage), so in 1975 he retired from music to care for his new baby Sean, becoming a house husband and proudly learning to bake bread while Yoko managed their financial affairs.
Now to McCartney... I will come back to Harrison later... but artica's suggestion of ISTJ is percolating... 
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When I think of Paul the words that come to mind are upbeat and cute. There's something perky and lighthearted about him, optimistic and bright eyed with an expressive face. He definitely isn't TJ.
John to Paul in a 70s phone call: "You're all pizza and fairytales!" Which sounds like a J talking to a P.
More P type stuff:
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/01/03/paul-mccartney-on-drugs/
| Quote: | | I had a girlfriend who had been the baby sitter for Paul and Linda McCartney.... Lizzie hated babysitting for the McCartneys because they were slobs. |
George was "quiet and serious onstage compared to the antics of Paul and John"... so Paul was possibly another extravert? He has a quite candid way of speaking.
| Wikipedia wrote: | Lennon received all the credit for being the avant-garde Beatle, and McCartney was known as 'baby-faced', which he disagreed with. People also assumed that Lennon was the 'hard-edged one', and McCartney was the 'soft-edged' Beatle, although McCartney admitted to 'bossing Lennon around', and saying things like, "Where's yer dad, you bastard?" as well being sarcastic about Lennon's mother 'living in sin'.
Linda McCartney said that McCartney had a 'hard-edge'—and not just on the surface—which she knew about after all the years she had spent living with him. McCartney seemed to confirm this edge when he commented that he sometimes meditates, which he said is better than "sleeping, eating, or shouting at someone". |
| Paul wrote: | | At the end of the Beatles, I really was done in for the first time in my life. Until then, I really was a kind of cocky sod. |
ENTP? ESTP? One site has ISFP, which has thrown me right off.
People who are hard to figure out even when you have a lot of quotes and info, are probably introvert! 
| Paul wrote: | | We can be really flash and have a Rolls Royce for each finger, but I just don't get anything off that! There's nothing for me at all! It leaves me cold. |
Perhaps not ESTP then, they tend to have a ball with flash. Also he has a lot of interest in visual art and poetry, which isn't terribly ESTP either.
| Paul wrote: | | When you first get money, you buy all these things so no one thinks you're mean, and you spread it around. You get a chauffeur and you find yourself thrown around the back of this car and you think, I was happier when I had my own little car! I could drive myself! |
So all I'm really sure of is P at this point... need to find a bit more info (wiki entry is light on personal details compared to john's) and try and get enough dots to make a pattern... please chip in if you have an opinion!!
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Going by what are considered "Paul" Beatles songs ("When I'm Sixty-Four", for instance) as well as what I've heard of Wings, he definitely seems like an F more than a T.
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3 INFJs and Ringo is an INFP.
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| julianameless wrote: | | Going by what are considered "Paul" Beatles songs ("When I'm Sixty-Four", for instance) as well as what I've heard of Wings, he definitely seems like an F more than a T. |
k I will explain why I think he's a TP. Not necessarily because I'm right but because this is a typical mistake that people make in typing others if they don't know about it.
From the Art of Speedreading People Chapter 5: Why what you see... is not always what you get.
| Quote: | ... reason it is sometimes tricky to quickly distinguish Thinking and Feeling from one another is that some types naturally use their Feeling side out in public, and others naturally keep their Feeling side to themselves, even if it's not their "true" preference.
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There are 8 types that Extravert Feeling. Four of these are natural Feelers, and four are really Thinkers.
ENFJ
INFJ
ESFJ
ISFJ --> All FJs Extravert Feeling.
ENTP
INTP
ESTP
ISTP --> All TPs Extravert Feeling.
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Now imo, the way Paul behaves definitely belongs to a type that Extraverts Feeling, and from what is to hand he seems to be a P rather than a J. E_TPs in particular can put on a big display of Feeling but they are not in fact, Feelers.
Paul has all the signs of Extraverted Feeling but I don't see the serious, self sacrificing nature of an FJ, I see a pragmatic, casual sort of guy. So, I may be wrong, but to me it seems that Paul is an E_TP. |
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| zillah wrote: | | julianameless wrote: | | Going by what are considered "Paul" Beatles songs ("When I'm Sixty-Four", for instance) as well as what I've heard of Wings, he definitely seems like an F more than a T. |
k I will explain why I think he's a TP. Not necessarily because I'm right but because this is a typical mistake that people make in typing others if they don't know about it.
From the Art of Speedreading People Chapter 5: Why what you see... is not always what you get.
| Quote: | ... reason it is sometimes tricky to quickly distinguish Thinking and Feeling from one another is that some types naturally use their Feeling side out in public, and others naturally keep their Feeling side to themselves, even if it's not their "true" preference.
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There are 8 types that Extravert Feeling. Four of these are natural Feelers, and four are really Thinkers.
ENFJ
INFJ
ESFJ
ISFJ --> All FJs Extravert Feeling.
ENTP
INTP
ESTP
ISTP --> All TPs Extravert Feeling.
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Now imo, the way Paul behaves definitely belongs to a type that Extraverts Feeling, and from what is to hand he seems to be a P rather than a J. E_TPs in particular can put on a big display of Feeling but they are not in fact, Feelers.
Paul has all the signs of Extraverted Feeling but I don't see the serious, self sacrificing nature of an FJ, I see a pragmatic, casual sort of guy. So, I may be wrong, but to me it seems that Paul is an E_TP. |
Ahh. I see your point.
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Looking at his post-beatles career...
Possessed of "unstoppable charm" and a need to be popular
Has gone on to work in other mediums than music - has been exhibited as painter and given readings of his poetry
http://www.capnmusic.org/paulmccartneypub.htm
(well written reviews! funny.)
| Quote: | | Paul, without someone to light fires under his butt and appeal to his competitive nature like John did in the Beatles, is left free to chase down his own particular musical vision, which for the most part falls squarely in the middle of the road. |
| Quote: | | a strong propensity to goofiness |
| Quote: | | Paul, once again, is experimenting |
| Quote: | | smooth, light, and slick |
On extraversion again - Paul dabbled in quite a few different styles post beatles, "attempting to stay current". Breadth rather than depth, being concerned with what was popular rather than some inner vision of his own (like George the introvert).
| Quote: | | he hasn't been so honest in awhile, but he's still not all that deep when you get down into it. |
I'm still stuck on E_TP. |
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: Re: MBTI the Beatles |
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| artica wrote: | MBTI the Beatles
What do you guys think? |
That's very easy.
John: INFP
Paul: ENFJ
George: ISFP
Ringo: ESFP
Yoko: INTJ |
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| Yeah but WHY |
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I used to think Lennon was ENFP... YOU RUINED MY DREAM
ENTJ sounds quite good... but I'm having trouble believing he was a J...
Maybe it's just something the drugs did to him... or it was Yoko... but all the free spirited bullshit he promoted, his huge beard... I just get the feeling he was the ultimate hippie = NP.
And anyway, no healthy J would ever take a picture like this AND use it as a FREAKING ALBUM COVER
And his random lyrics... he often kept saying they weren't supposed to mean anything at all and nobody wanted to believe him...
I guess nobody's going to argue that Te/Fi were his judging functions rather than Fe/Ti...
His Te seems to have been rather strong, perhaps even stronger than Fi, but maybe the Fi was just hidden... plus, Fi's can be asses too and he was already 23 in 1963... his Te was probably already well-developed IF he was ENFP.
The ENTJ sounds like a good choice, but so does ENFP... we don't all have to be nice, just because we're feelers... I just get MUCH more Ne than Ni from him... And I just think his Fi was ranked higher than as the inferior function.
As an ENFP, his extroverted functions would be N and T...
About the others...
I don't really know anything about Ringo, but I imagine him to be a nice, kind guy, something along the lines of an ISFJ... though he probably wasn't,,, Maybe it's just Don't Pass Me By and Octopus's Garden, those are what I call ISFJ songs...
George... almost definitely introverted... generally, his philosophical, intellectual image makes me imagine him as INTP, but that was before my mind was corrupted... I've always imagined him as a J, but thinking about it, 'I Want to Tell You' is a P-ish song, no? And Within You, Without You, I know it's based on Hinduism, but it's still a song about peace, unity and all that (N)P crap. I think that putting his thoughts to comprehensible sentences is Ti, not S. I think his too rational to be INFP, he's just a nice INTP.
Paul I have no idea and I've babbled about the others for way too long, so I'm not gonna bother, the standard ISFP typing sounds fair enough (though probably not exact).
And, all of these are, of course, just my random opinions and thoughts.
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Damn you Artica, I almost made this topic! 
I love Paul and Ringo >u<
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I've a pretty lively imagination, but it would be difficult
for me to imagine that "IMAGINE" was not written by a
fellow INFP>
| A literistic master wrote: | Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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I am not saying that he actually lived this dream
but it is a nice dream anyways.
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| Mayflow wrote: | I've a pretty lively imagination, but it would be difficult
for me to imagine that "IMAGINE" was not written by a
fellow INFP> |
Disagree! "Imagine" is a command. INFP = not directive. |
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