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Trondor
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 Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: Suicide because of personality test results |
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This has been all over the news here in Norway lately
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/16/scientology_blamed_in_high-profile_suicide/7148/
| Quote: | Family and friends described the 20-year-old in a generally good mood until Friday, March 28, when she "changed" after reading the results from the test.
She took her own life hours later.
A Scientology spokesman called the allegations "deeply unfair" and pointed to an eating disorder and other psychological issues she experienced in her early teens.
Critics say the break-you-down-build-you-up recruitment tool of Scientologists is controversial. |
I have heard that the results of the scientology personality test are usually negative (and the questions asked vague) for a reason, in order to persuade people to participate in the scientology self-improvement courses.
However, when I first heard of this story, I thought of the Big Five test at this site and it's harsh descriptions of, well, everybody (but especially Limbic people). Is it wise to give exxagerated negative results to people who clearly have a vulnerability?
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1) Scientology is whack.
2) You should as soon blame mirrors as personality tests.
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Just a thought:
When a person looks through information on personality disorders, they are usually looking because they think something is wrong with either self or someone they know, therefore, it is not disturbing to find associations to oneself in the description of a personality disorder.
When person takes a personality test to try and find their "inner potential" and finds only negative traits, I can definitely see how that could be disturbing. If your thought patterns and abilities are presented to you as major flaws, I can see reason for losing hope.
Basically, the Scientology tests tell everyone "You are a piece of shit. We can help you not be a piece of shit."
Yeah, there are going to be people who can't handle that.
For an oddly accurate portrayal of Scientology, see the South Park episode: Trapped In the Closet. The parts where they flash "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" on the screen is not a joke.
*disturbing*
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I thought Scientology didn't believe in psychological disorders. I hope the girl's family sues the sue happy church!
Scientology illustrated:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/
I agree about the Big 5 tests out there but that is their point. They suppose to show how far away you are from the ideal (SCOAI). |
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ammavaru
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Isra wrote: |
Basically, the Scientology tests tell everyone "You are a piece of shit. We can help you not be a piece of shit."
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Pretty much.
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I thought Scientology didn't believe in psychological disorders.
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They don't.
Scientology is dumb and pure evil. I remember there was a story about a paranoid schizophrenic kid who stabbed his mother to death because the church convinced her that he wasn't mentally ill and didn't need any kind of therapy or medication. And of course their bullshit stories made him become progressively worse, until every time he looked at his mother he was convinced she was an alien/demon/monster whatever.
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Isra
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They don't believe in personality disorders because they can't be fixed. The Scientologists want you to believe that they can cure whatever ails you, which means they cannot allow for inborn and unchangeable characteristics.
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Benzai
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Well, well, well. This is a first. Lol.
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| ammavaru wrote: | | RadicalDreamer wrote: |
I thought Scientology didn't believe in psychological disorders.
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They don't. |
It was strange that the excuse the Scientologist gave was mental problems such as eating disorders. I was expecting something else like it is the fault of psychiatry.
| Quote: | | Scientology is dumb and pure evil. I remember there was a story about a paranoid schizophrenic kid who stabbed his mother to death because the church convinced her that he wasn't mentally ill and didn't need any kind of therapy or medication. And of course their bullshit stories made him become progressively worse, until every time he looked at his mother he was convinced she was an alien/demon/monster whatever. |
I heard about that one.
http://www.scientology-kills.org/dead/dead.htm |
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This has probably been mentioned in the responses by now, but since I haven't read them all...
I really doubt how stable a person someone is if they kill themselves over the results in a personality test. I don't care how negative it is.
I could walk up to someone and insult them verbally and I wouldn't expect them to kill themselves.
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | It was strange that the excuse the Scientologist gave was mental problems such as eating disorders. I was expecting something else like it is the fault of psychiatry.
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It is strange, but last time I read about them they were blaming mental illness on nutritional deficits. They seriously think that bipolar and schizo-spectrum disorders can be *cured* with vitamin supplements and science fiction fairy tales. So they'll probably say that she was malnourished due to an eating disorder.
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| shorty wrote: | This has probably been mentioned in the responses by now, but since I haven't read them all...
I really doubt how stable a person someone is if they kill themselves over the results in a personality test. I don't care how negative it is.
I could walk up to someone and insult them verbally and I wouldn't expect them to kill themselves. |
Well, they could if they were ill enough or something... of course, in that case, it's bound to happen sooner or later, but it's the test that pushes them over the edge... that person can actually live a long life without committing suicide, you don't hear terrible things told about yourself by people who claim to be professionals everyday.
It's like beating up an old cripple... of course, that's not a good example, but you get what I'm saying.
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