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Raven
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I started for the same reason.
Now I've finished the third book and have no means to take the fourth one. I'm fucked.
Funny Fact: In the spanish translation, the true name of Voldemort is Tom Sorvolo Ryddle, not Tom Marvolo Riddle. The reason is that changing the letters m, a and i and putting s, o and y they can translate the phrase "I am Lord Voldemort" to "Soy Lord Voldemort", in spanish. It's absurd, isn't it?
I've been thinking about the main character, Harry Potter. Don't you think that a child that has grown in such a hostile familiar environment, with no friends at school, continuous physical and psicologycal violence, etc, should be a lot different?
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geeks...
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| Raven wrote: | I started for the same reason.
Now I've finished the third book and have no means to take the fourth one. I'm fucked.
Funny Fact: In the spanish translation, the true name of Voldemort is Tom Sorvolo Ryddle, not Tom Marvolo Riddle. The reason is that changing the letters m, a and i and putting s, o and y they can translate the phrase "I am Lord Voldemort" to "Soy Lord Voldemort", in spanish. It's absurd, isn't it?
I've been thinking about the main character, Harry Potter. Don't you think that a child that has grown in such a hostile familiar environment, with no friends at school, continuous physical and psicologycal violence, etc, should be a lot different? |
They do the riddle thing in every language, i think (Czech and French both do it; it wouldn't make sense not to do it, really.)
And I agree about the Harry thing - I think this is where the role of the Dursleys becomes more symbolic than anything.
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| Lenka wrote: | | Raven wrote: | | I've been thinking about the main character, Harry Potter. Don't you think that a child that has grown in such a hostile familiar environment, with no friends at school, continuous physical and psicologycal violence, etc, should be a lot different? |
And I agree about the Harry thing - I think this is where the role of the Dursleys becomes more symbolic than anything. |
This gets into the whole nature-vs-nurture debate. How much of Harry's character is due to his genes? Another way to look at it is: how would he be different had he been raised in a supportive home environment? Snape and Tom Riddle also seem to have had difficult childhoods, but are different from Harry, and from each other. Perhaps Harry's experiences, combined with his nature, made him more sensitive to the suffering of others.
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Raven
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It has nothing to do with his character, but fucking traumas. He has never received any love. Never. He has been mistreated. He was a recluse. He should be unadaptable.
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| Raven wrote: | | It has nothing to do with his character, but fucking traumas. He has never received any love. Never. He has been mistreated. He was a recluse. He should be unadaptable. |
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| Raven wrote: | | Don't you think that a child that has grown in such a hostile familiar environment, with no friends at school, continuous physical and psicologycal violence, etc, should be a lot different? |
This is equivalent to suggesting that his character (in a psychological rather than literary sense) should have developed much differently than portrayed given his hostile upbringing. Whether one agrees or disagrees with JKR's depiction, the question has everything to do with his character.
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Raven
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I was actually considering some kind of mental illness.
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| Raven wrote: | | I was actually considering some kind of mental illness. |
This is certainly possible, though not guaranteed. Unfortunately many people suffer neglect and abuse as children. Not all develop mental illnesses, though all have to deal with the effects into adulthood. I have a friend with mental illness who also was abused as a child. She would have had the mental illness in any case, though; the abuse just made things worse and delayed her receiving proper treatment. The outcome for victims of abuse and neglect is probably influenced heavily both by nature (their genes/innate makeup) and by whatever support or intervention they eventually encounter (for the character of Harry Potter, people like Dumbledore, Hermione, and the Weasleys).
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| Lenka wrote: | | They do the riddle thing in every language, i think (Czech and French both do it; it wouldn't make sense not to do it, really.) |
Do you remember what this is in French and Czech - what is Tom Riddle's name, and what is "I am Lord Voldemort"? I find linguistic differences like this fascinating, and I'm always curious how unique worlds like JKR's wizarding world are translated. Are other character names changed in French and Czech as well (like Dumbledore in Dutch)?
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In spanish all the names are the same except for that one, I think.
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| Romana wrote: | | Lenka wrote: | | They do the riddle thing in every language, i think (Czech and French both do it; it wouldn't make sense not to do it, really.) |
Do you remember what this is in French and Czech - what is Tom Riddle's name, and what is "I am Lord Voldemort"? I find linguistic differences like this fascinating, and I'm always curious how unique worlds like JKR's wizarding world are translated. Are other character names changed in French and Czech as well (like Dumbledore in Dutch)? |
In Czech, some of the names are changed.
Dumbledore, Fudge, Flitwick, Lockhart... and most of the minor names, like spellbook authors.
In french, I'm not sure, i can't remember...
Czech for Riddle was "Tom Rojvol Raddle" --> Ja Lord Voldemort. (whihc is gramatically wrong anyways 
French was... well, the middle name was Elvis 
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really Lenka?!
I don't see why harry has to be nasty just cause he was abused?! surely people react to abuse in all sorts of different ways. |
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