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Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest
I just saw this movie a few minutes before this post. What are the types of all the main characters? Will there be a sequel of this? The end of the movie seems like it's hinting a sequel.
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I haven't seen it yet so I don't know what they did with the characters in the sequel, but, based on the first movie...
Elizabeth - passionate & feisty, romantic, always scolding people - ENFJ.
Norrington - ISTJ, the dude is so strait laced he's practically dead but boy does he have emotions on the inside (oh jack davenport, if you're reading this, I love you. And, congratulations on the loss of you wig, which I know you didn't like. Good work.)
I really don't know about Will right now.
Jack I don't know either, I think my brain just ran out of fairy dust or something. I'll have a nice lie down and think about it. |
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| zillah wrote: | | Norrington - ISTJ |
You know what, he could even be ISFJ. |
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Jack is ExTP, I'd say ENTP only he is far too accepting of his reality to be an N yet I wouldn't go so far as to say he is S.
Will is ISFJ to the extreme.
The other ones...I'll just say I'm with Zillah.
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| Austy wrote: | | Jack is ExTP, I'd say ENTP only he is far too accepting of his reality to be an N yet I wouldn't go so far as to say he is S. |
You're right that he is definitely not ESTP. That doesn't fit at all. ENTP is better... but there are still some things that don't fit... e.g. ENTPs need to be liked, are funny, witty and entertaining, and may disappoint by talking up some plan and then not coming through. I think Jack is better with action than words, not the other way around, and he is quite happy for everyone to hate him as long as he gets his way.
Since part of Jack's character was based on Keith Richards, I just looked up Keiths type as well, & it is alleged to be ISTP. And ISTPs do make fantastic anti heroes, with their levelheaded, adventurous, and anti establishment natures. So could this fit Jack too?
I or E - well, Jack has a very secretive nature. He acts as though he would shrivel up and die if all his cards were laid on the table. If there's a lot of talk, especially questions and explanations, quite often it really gets on his nerves. (E.g. when Elizabeth is going on about something.) I'm going with I.
F or T - definitely T. I can't think of anything that would point to F. He's a self serving bastard. 
J or P - we all know he's P, he's a very freewheeling character. Will has a strong J and Jack never stops making fun of him for it.
S or N - I always work this out with temperaments, so we're looking at SP vs NT. Is there really anything to suggest NT? Is he into abstract, theoretical things? Does he come up with any grand visions or ideas? Not really, he's only concerned with freedom, adventure, girls and treasure. I can't imagine him getting through a book. Does he see himself as intellectually superior, or does he seek improvement of things? No, he's pretty unassuming, and accepts things as they are, even in situations of great danger. So, I think we've got ISTP there.
Here's the ISTP description from Art of Speedreading People -
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Independent, self-contained, and often aloof, ISTPs are the ultimate pragmatists. They are supremely cool and objective about all things, even-tempered and unflappable. In times of crisis or high anxiety, they are able to focus on the demands of the moment and apply their Lead Thinking to solving problems with skill and dispatch. They are at their best reponding to challenges that arise spontaneously, preferring to get busy and skip a lot of discussion or preplanning. Once they "put out the fire", they have little energy for the follow-through and little need to reap praise.
Resourceful and adaptable, ISTPs seem to possess an innate understanding of how anything works - from toasters to computers. They are especially effective when they combine their keen powers of obervation with their talent for logical analysis to solve problems. But since people rarely act with the same logical predictability that things do, ISTPs are generally less skilled or effective dealing with interpersonal conflicts. The inherent inconsistency and irrationality of human beings is both so confusing an frustrating to ISTPs that they will frequently just walk away from a personal conflict rather than be left feeling helpless and inept. Very private about personal matters, they rarely share their innermost feelings or fears, even with people they know well and trust.
Realistic and extremely practical, ISTPs are people of action and self direction. They like to work alone or alongside other skilled and capable people, figuring things out for themselves without outside help or input. Although they seek fun and action in both their work and personal lives, ISTPs really feel the most alive when they are doing something independent, risky, or even dangerous. So strong is the allure of the adrenaline rush thay they often seek occupations which place them in harm's way. And even those ISTPs whose jobs involve great risk, such as firefighters, police officers, or pirates - whoops - pilots, often seek additional thrills in their choice of recreational activities. |
Don't you think that fits Jack? It's not 100%, but remember around 80% is a great match. Also explains how he and Elizabeth don't get on, being opposites.
I'm wondering now how many of the characters Johnny Depp plays are ISTPs. I'm sure Donnie Brasco is, and the Brave. Many others aren't, though.
| Austy wrote: | | Will is ISFJ to the extreme. |
I agree... what was confusing me, was that he is that way at the start... but then he loosens up a bit as the story goes on. Not that much though, I guess.
The male ISFJs I know are born engineers; should the crafting of swords happen to take their fancy they could definitely be just as obsessed (and accomplished) with them as Will, so that part fits too.
| Austy wrote: | | The other ones...I'll just say I'm with Zillah. |
Thank'ee, koind sirr. What about Barbossa? I haven't thought about him much but he seems like an NT, like every other movie baddie in the universe. |
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will seems more ISFP
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| But he's got such a poker up his ass... gotta be J |
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I understand your point of view on Jack and though it is possible, he actually is kick ass at words if you take enough notice at how he replies to other people's statements, correcting the flaws in their logic. I see Ti and Se as his biggest tools so I think he really is suppose to be ESTP although the only way I can explain it would be that he'd be ESTP Subtype T. But why I say Se is because he accepts what he sees and deals with it directly. He doesn't really focus on Ne at all, just uses Se to adapt and Ti to figure values. When I thought about it more, ESTP and Jack have one big thing in common...being the master of saving their own ass!
I'm thinking about ISTP, it is possible, but that would mean he was using Si Te, and I don't believe Te fits his correcting style, or that Si really works for his information gathering style.
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| Austy wrote: | | I understand your point of view on Jack and though it is possible, he actually is kick ass at words if you take enough notice at how he replies to other people's statements, correcting the flaws in their logic. |
Smart ISTPs can do this. Besides with film/tv, if someone's a main character, I or not they've got to have cool lines.
| Austy wrote: | | I see Ti and Se as his biggest tools so I think he really is suppose to be ESTP although the only way I can explain it would be that he'd be ESTP Subtype T. But why I say Se is because he accepts what he sees and deals with it directly. He doesn't really focus on Ne at all, just uses Se to adapt and Ti to figure values. When I thought about it more, ESTP and Jack have one big thing in common...being the master of saving their own ass! |
Yes but ISTP are too! Besides if he's ISTP rather than ISTp, then that IS Ti and Se.
If you're talking ISTp, then this is from the description at 16types:
| Quote: | | Talented laziness. Unlike The Searcher, he will scarcely spend his energy for futile work. He is a born inventor, but he does not hurry with the implementation of his ideas, until conditions for maximum effect will ripen. He is proud of his capability of not doing unnecessary things; adores comfort and conveniences. When performing common tasks together with somebody else, everything very easily and without pressure from his side goes the way he likes. All space accessible to him is organized ideally for work and rest. He is an aesthete who completely trusts his taste. He dresses very neatly, with taste, but as a rule not challenging convention. |
The overall type doesn't fit nearly as well for ESTP. Jack's too calculating, and he's not particularly enthusiastic, loud or attention seeking. Can you picture him playing a team sport? He's a lone wolf by choice. He wouldn't hang out with all those other characters just out of gregariousness. |
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Oh, and remember, you can't just swap over socionics with MBTI functions because they're not even the same anyway.
| Quote: | Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful. |
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Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things). |
haha...socionics is annoying.
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I can't believe people follow socionics. Good GOD!!
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<points at Austy> He started it!  |
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What the hell? ISFJ vs. ISFJ = Norrington vs. Will Turner????? HOW???
Shouldn't they both have the same viewpoints???
Instead, they root against each other??
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I think Norrington has to be ISTJ. He doesn't seem to have the emotional radar & the warmth that an ISFJ would have. That bit in POTC1 when he's absorbed in giving a stiff speech about his feelings to elizabeth while she's falling off the cliff imo is a classic ISTJ moment.
By the way this means Elizabeth is spurning her dual. Maybe she should've given him a chance after all. 
Will I was thinking about again, maybe he is ISFP like racethelightning said. ISFJ is possibly the least adventurous & most domestic of all the types. An ISFJ might very likely have balked at going off into the dreaded unknown for adventures with Jack. Will though seems to be set free by his decision to become a pirate, maybe affirming his SP nature and rejecting the shell of the SJ world around him. The big swordfight scene when he first meets Jack = ISFP competitiveness. What do you think? I'd have to watch the movie again to feel sure. They sure don't dress him like an ISFP. |
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