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Tenacity
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| Just a quick question, can you guess what I'm gonna ask? Okay you got me, it's the title (you are sharp). Does anyone take these types seriously? Don't get me wrong, when you answer the questionaire, you show patterns of thought. However, why should that limit you? When reading how some people think of themselves when they get this new label, it really sounds limiting. Also, does anyone here believe that they can pick and choose any or all characteristics from any type and put them together anyway they like? I do, as long as it's not conflicting. |
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what do you mean "seriously" I found mine remarkly fitting my behavior, but I won't let the type dictate what to do and what not to do - I won't think "Now this would be a very INTJ thing to do". I despise people that try to explain everything from their school marks to the growth of their garden plants with their type.
To me, learning my type is more a lection on self awareness then of limiting my personality...
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Vylence
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Personally I think it's natural that people fall into types. There must be a majority and a minority, it can't be endless possiblities. So I always wonder why people think they are held back by a description?
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Tenacity
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| Vylence wrote: | | Personally I think it's natural that people fall into types. There must be a majority and a minority, it can't be endless possiblities. So I always wonder why people think they are held back by a description? |
I'm not saying that people necessarily limit themselves by taking on identities. I do however, see a lot of times where it really seems that people start creating strange justifications for behaviour, just to stay congruent with their new found identities. Such as "It didn't work out, I'm a Gemini, and she was a Capricorn". I see things like this all too often. And although we can't be every characteristic in the english language, surely the general combinations in the jung type descriptions aren't the only way to come together, there are just too many ways it can work out mathematically. Lastly, I acknowledged that if there's a pattern in our behaviour, then there's a pattern in our behaviour- I'm not denying that. Really, all I'm getting at is when people use the decriptions from a test as an excuse to take the responsibility off of them; you know, the old "that's just the way I am" thing or "that's how I've always been"-it's all just a an elaborate way of pointing the finger of responsibility away from ourselves. |
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An ENTJ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Tenacity wrote: | | Vylence wrote: | | Personally I think it's natural that people fall into types. There must be a majority and a minority, it can't be endless possiblities. So I always wonder why people think they are held back by a description? |
I'm not saying that people necessarily limit themselves by taking on identities. I do however, see a lot of times where it really seems that people start creating strange justifications for behaviour, just to stay congruent with their new found identities. Such as "It didn't work out, I'm a Gemini, and she was a Capricorn". I see things like this all too often. And although we can't be every characteristic in the english language, surely the general combinations in the jung type descriptions aren't the only way to come together, there are just too many ways it can work out mathematically. Lastly, I acknowledged that if there's a pattern in our behaviour, then there's a pattern in our behaviour- I'm not denying that. Really, all I'm getting at is when people use the decriptions from a test as an excuse to take the responsibility off of them; you know, the old "that's just the way I am" thing or "that's how I've always been"-it's all just a an elaborate way of pointing the finger of responsibility away from ourselves. |
You're right.
I don't take it too seriously at all. For me it's just fun. I don't really care if I behave like an ENTJ - I would never let a profile dictate my behavior. In fact, I think the profiles are a load of shit. I only agree with the letters.
Still, it's fun to theorize and generalize things . It gives the (false) impression of predictability and control of human behavior. Of course it's probably alot of BS as the predictions are poor. But the core of it lies there. People need this illusion of control. It gives them the impression the world is predictable, organized, ... That things happen for a "reason" and "meaning".
Explaining things by type might be simplistic, but it sure has the power of giving you a desillusional ego boost that can lift mountains. What's more adaptative? Thinking you're a loser because you're introverted and messy - or believing you have a special gift for understanding things that can only come up in the right situations? Believing you failed a relationship because you're neurotic and have serious mental problems - or believing you failed a relationship because you're special and sensitive to emotions others can't feel?
It gives you hope... something to believe in... that's my explanation as to why this type thing is so popular
Now: What's an excuse and what's an explanation? Where's the fine line? |
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Hello everyone. I am a newbie here so please be patient with me.
I took the Myers-Briggs test (4) times. The first time I thought I was an ISFP. I took it again because though I'm empathetic (able to put myself in other's shoes), I am not sympathetic. I don't lose any sleep because someone else is going through a certain situation as I have my own problems. I know that sounds selfish. <_< I took the test a second time to discover that I was an INTP. I accepted this for about a month or so because I do have the tendency to think like there's no tomorrow. But I was not satisfied so I took the test twice today to find out both times that I'm an ISTJ!!!!!  What the hell? I'm so freakin confused right now  Being that I can be judgemental at times, I'm starting to think that maybe I am an ISTJ, however, I don't want to be. I read that they are naive and easily persuaded. I am not these two things.
I simply believe that we all possess traits from at least 4 of the types. I know for a fact that I'm not Extroverted so that outrules all "E" types for me. However, being Introverted leads me to believe that I do carry a combination of all "I" types.
I'd like to take this whole thing seriously, but how can I when I'm not certain which type best describes who I am? Too confused..
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| Quote: | | Hello everyone. I am a newbie here so please be patient with me. |
B) Hi dude ;)
| Quote: | | I took the Myers-Briggs test (4) times. The first time I thought I was an ISFP. I took it again because though I'm empathetic (able to put myself in other's shoes), I am not sympathetic. I don't lose any sleep because someone else is going through a certain situation as I have my own problems. I know that sounds selfish. <_< I took the test a second time to discover that I was an INTP. I accepted this for about a month or so because I do have the tendency to think like there's no tomorrow. But I was not satisfied so I took the test twice today to find out both times that I'm an ISTJ!!!!! What the hell? I'm so freakin confused right now Being that I can be judgemental at times, I'm starting to think that maybe I am an ISTJ, however, I don't want to be. I read that they are naive and easily persuaded. I am not these two things. |
I think you shouldn't worry because it's not rocket science.
The idea of a definite and stable preference (E-I, S-N, etc.) is debatable. Most people don't have a preference. Really. Most people are in the middle. Of course, the MBTI endorsers are never going to admit this ;)
I think it's only normal if you test different at different intervals. Think of it as a way to open up your imagination about personality and people, so you can see possibilities, but not as a way of trying to fit in a box.
The MBTI is pseudoscience... the idea of personality in general not far off either hahaha  If it makes you think about things, cool. But it's not the end of all things. (I mean, I'm not even talking about the profiles - they're a big joke)
I first tested as ENFP, then ENTP - now ENTJ. But I can be a damn real introvert and I love just doing things on my own and reading books all the time. Go figure! I'm also very empathic and caring... I do not identify with the stupid ENTJ profiles on sites like typelogic.com. Actually on that site the ENTP one fits me alot better. I'm like a more reliable version of the ENTP with the sillyness of an ENFP, depth of an INFJ, sometimes calmness and objectivity of an INTJ,...
| Quote: | | I simply believe that we all possess traits from at least 4 of the types. I know for a fact that I'm not Extroverted so that outrules all "E" types for me. However, being Introverted leads me to believe that I do carry a combination of all "I" types. |
Yeah, I totally agree. I know for the fact I'm not "S". I'm an "N" freak hahaha But I freely move along all the others and quite frankly I could be any of the "N" types. Just slightly more preferences for E,T,J  But I believe that was the main idea of Myers: it's a "preference" which means we can use the other too (like the example of right handed and left handed, etc.). So, even if you do J 51% of the time and P 49% you'll be labeled J (actually pretty silly when we think of it)
| Quote: | | I'd like to take this whole thing seriously, but how can I when I'm not certain which type best describes who I am? Too confused.. |
Don't... it's just for fun. You don't need a test to tell you who you are. It's just a tool to make you think a bit more about yourself. |
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shum
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when i first took the test i actually thought all the answers were leading. like it wanted to tell me who i wanted to be. took it in a room with a friend who now is my best friend.
i have taken it drunk. i have taken it sober. i have taken it on sad days and happy days. always the same result (except the time i was on cold pills and really sick and i got a j).
finding out i was classified as enfp and then reading the description really has helped me to not get so worried about things. it seems to validate my emotions. it is working for me.
what i have a problem with is typing other people. i sincerely believe it shouldnt even be attempted. i have been on sites and mailing lists where people try to classify others. i think the test should be done personally and thats it.
i actually considered letting my kids take the test when i kept reading about certain types of parents raising certain types of kids. but i dont think that would be beneficial to them.
they are young and easily influenced. just the questions alone could influence them, i think. |
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