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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Society and Personality Type. Is it an adaptation Reply with quote

For the most part of human history people lived as hunter-gatherers until around 10,000 years ago. I've been wondering how personality types dealt with this human society vs civilization. If some were more equipped in dealing with hunter-gatherer society vs civilization. Do you think the variety of personality types within a family is an adaptation? A motley crew more able to deal with any given environment.

Another question, do you think other mammals have similar personality types as humans?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: re - ptype Reply with quote

I have a feeling people with an intuitive or psychic ability would've been burnt alive at the stake back in the medieval times for being a witch if they were a female , or a wizard if they were male.

Back 10,000 years ago I think man wouldn't have evolved well enough to have any sort of intuition, would've just had basic animal instincts & survival skills.

Though I am surprised how clever the Australian Aboriginies are , there was a show here called the "bush mechanics" and they showed off their ingenuity which they have been using for over 40,000 years , except it was applied to a car , which is of course more modern.

They were doing things such as using tree trunks as tailshafts , etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Back 10,000 years ago I think man wouldn't have evolved well enough to have any sort of intuition, would've just had basic animal instincts & survival skills.


But...... That's what intuition is....
I would argue that animals have better instincts than many humans.

We can go deeper into things, but pfft...
To the extent people use their intuition, I wouldn't trust it one bit.
10,000 years ago, we 'played into' our instincts, rather than constantly fighting them...
We did the thing every other species naturally does.

Today, we put it instinct on the back burner.
This takes away the intuitive power.

Intuition/Instinct is WAY more than you could imagine.

Playing into your impulses, and assuming... "If i didn't want it, I wouldnt be considering it.. It must be right...."
Then learning how to trust, and take care of yourself while doing it...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ, I have a feeling if people didn't follow the program they'd be in trouble in some parts in the history of mankind.

So animals probably have N and S. I know they have E and I.

we can find a documented account of the personalities of a variety of wolves held in captivity. The observer characterizes one male wolf as lordly, timid, and luxury-loving. Another wolf, a female, was described as being fearless, happy, playful, and inventive. Another female was described as a hearty, affectionate, not jealous, and of the undemanding sort. One male was seen as aggressive. Finally, the observer described another female as being sober, gentle, and withdrawn.

http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/wolf_personality.htm


Wolf society sounds like human society somewhat Laughing
http://www.wolfpark.org/wolffaq.html#livetogether
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could anyone possibly explain to me how intuition works?
I mean...how it developes and how it can possibly be measured?


As an NF, I feel like inside my head, My mind holds the key or the answers.
how do they get in there? how do I express my conclusions?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ you might find this interesting!

Until about 50,000–40,000 years ago the use of stone tools seems to have progressed stepwise: each phase (habilis, ergaster, neanderthal) started at a higher level than the previous one, but once that phase had started further development was slow. In other words, one might call these Homo species culturally conservative. After 50,000 BP, what Jared Diamond, author of The Third Chimpanzee, and other anthropologists characterize as a Great Leap Forward, human culture apparently started to change at much greater speed: "modern" humans started to bury their dead carefully, made clothing out of hides, developed sophisticated hunting techniques (such as pitfall traps, or driving animals to fall off cliffs), and made cave paintings. This speed-up of cultural change seems connected with the arrival of modern humans, homo sapiens sapiens. As human culture advanced, different populations of humans began to create novelty in existing technologies. Artifacts such as fish hooks, buttons and bone needles begin to show signs of variation among different population of humans, something that had not been seen in human cultures prior to 50,000 BP. Typically, neanderthalenis populations are found with technology similar to other contemporary neanderthalensis populations.

Theoretically, modern human behavior is taken to include four ingredient capabilities: abstract thinking (concepts free from specific examples), planning (taking steps to achieve a farther goal), innovation (finding new solutions), and symbolic behaviour (such as images, or rituals). Among concrete examples of modern human behaviour, anthropologists include specialization of tools, use of jewelry and images (such as cave drawings), organization of living space, rituals (for example, burials with grave gifts), specialized hunting techniques, exploration of less hospitable geographical areas, and barter trade networks. Debate continues whether there was indeed a "Revolution" leading to modern man ("the big bang of human consciousness"), or a more gradual evolution.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

I guess intuition works by taking in some nuggets of information and forming a picture of what is possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Back 10,000 years ago I think man wouldn't have evolved well enough to have any sort of intuition, would've just had basic animal instincts & survival skills.


But...... That's what intuition is....


EXACTLY. intuition is a trait favored by natural selection for a variety of outcomes. in that sense, being "intuitive" is a good evolutionary strategy.

in authoritarian/dogmatic periods of human history (e.g. the inquisition) intuitives have been stigmatized as "other" and persecuted. but that persecution/stigmatization has never been sufficient to eradicate the effectiveness of intuitive strategies.

i suspect that all of the MB types arise from some sort of adaptive pragmatism. that doesn't, however, mean that we're necessarily subject to either our MB type or its likely outcomes.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

artica wrote:
Could anyone possibly explain to me how intuition works?
I mean...how it developes and how it can possibly be measured?


There's a book out there called "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell, and it's the physiological and neurological science of intuition. It also goes so far as to make the case for intuition as precursor for cognition, the inability of robotics to recreate intuition, and the genes behind it.

I think it's 7.99 on Amazon.com.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off tangent here......just a theory.....Do most people end up "naturally" selecting their favorite authors in which they share similar MBTI types?

As in the natural gravitation in which like attracts like?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Off tangent here......just a theory.....Do most people end up "naturally" selecting their favorite authors in which they share similar MBTI types?

As in the natural gravitation in which like attracts like?


Perhaps, or they're naturally attracted to similarly typed characters within the story (because they can relate to them best/form an identity with them).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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artica wrote:
Off tangent here......just a theory.....Do most people end up "naturally" selecting their favorite authors in which they share similar MBTI types?

As in the natural gravitation in which like attracts like?


Perhaps, or they're naturally attracted to similarly typed characters within the story (because they can relate to them best/form an identity with them).

Splendid!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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artica wrote:
Off tangent here......just a theory.....Do most people end up "naturally" selecting their favorite authors in which they share similar MBTI types?

As in the natural gravitation in which like attracts like?


Perhaps, or they're naturally attracted to similarly typed characters within the story (because they can relate to them best/form an identity with them).

Splendid!


This thought came to me because I *just* read a book yesterday where I identified closely with the protagonist. He was a huge INFJ, and we struggled along together though the novel, he and I. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oooooo...what was it called?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They say Goethe himself was INFJ, too, so it's only natural to write all the stories about "yourself". Now writing about different kind of people, that's FUN! Smile
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