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[HatchBack176]

Hey god I know you're in there somewhere, come out and play!

[Kyle]

He is God of those countless universes.
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[allisfulloflove]

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[HatchBack176]

Duh.

[Kyle]

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[Rasputin]

Kyle, are you saying that multiple universes exist as the products of the minds of each individual, or that they exist independent of the minds of each individual?
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[Rasputin]

Allisfulloflove, I relate to your negative attitude toward humanity, but the thing is this: All if full of light and dark, good and evil (except God). But God created us full of potential, knowing full well, in his omnipotence, what would follow. But he created us with the power of choice, and that choice gave our lives an intrinsic value than they would not have it we were mere machines that followed Him perfectly but didn't have to choose to do so.

Everyone will make mistakes, sometimes really big ones. The beauty of a human life, though, if found not in the absence of mistakes, because then it wouldn't be a human life, not a life at all, merely the existence of a machine. The beauty of human life comes from the process of learning from mistakes, and the progression that results from that.

Given this tremendous power God gave us (which is nothing compared to His), it is our responsibility to use it responsibly. That is why it is our place to function as stewards of this world, precisely because we have the potential to serve as the most terrible exploiters of it.

If we chucked our advanced technologies and lived off the land, yes, the land would be more pure and species would not be extinct or endangered or dependent on humans for their survival. At the same time, we also would not exercise our potential, would not be what we are, would not be what God created us to be. Nature would not progress to reach it's full potential, imbued in it by God Himself.

Regarding dogs being dependent on humans for their survival, it is due to human intervention that dogs have become perhaps the most varied species on the planet, spreading all across the earth, developing multiple adaptations in different breeds.
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[Kyle]

[Rasputin]

Maybe, but one thing is for sure...I don't support the multiverse theory propounded by certain quantum physicists, who want to explain away the existence of God with the existence of a mulitverse, which has equally no sensory data to back it up as does the postulate of the existence of God.

Can you clarify your position in this context?
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[Kyle]

[Rasputin]

Kyle, that part makes sense, but I'm still not seeing the need to believe that other universes exist in the first place. I wager your argument goes something like this: We exist as thoughts in the mind of God. By extension, our thoughts exist in the forms of other universes. I'm not sure this follows. If your first premise is correct, there is still a difference between our thoughts and God's thoughts. Granted, they are both thoughts, but our thoughts lack the omnipotence of God's thoughts, and all the other perfect qualities they bear. What is your arguement that our thoughts bear the power to create universes? Second, what is your argument for the validity of your first premise? Who says we are by nature thoughts in the mind of God? How can we share God's essence if we are merely his thoughts? Woudn't we have to exist "objectively" for such a union of essence to be a reality? According to you, are we less real than God? Are your own created universes less real than us?
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[allisfulloflove]

[Rasputin]

Allisfulloflove, just because I love debating ideas doesn't mean I'm trying to push mine off on you. In fact, I welcome the same debating spirit from you. The only situation where I have a problem is when it degenerates to the level of a personal attack. I am not personally attacking you. I get the impressing you experience devaluing from me by my asserting my views. What you're not understanding is that I actually experience valuing from you CHALLENGING my ideas. I enjoy the give and take of that, the exhiliaration of putting forth my best argument, and the satisfaction of learning something from the exchange. On a level, I'm really just being myself, to the same extent you are being yourself at this very moment. I respect your views, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Maybe you're getting offended too easily.
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[allisfulloflove]