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Kyle
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| Rasputin wrote: | | Kyle, that part makes sense, but I'm still not seeing the need to believe that other universes exist in the first place. |
Well, either way you look at it, thoughts manifests in behavior, and fuck with peoples' lives.
| Rasputin wrote: | | I wager your argument goes something like this: We exist as thoughts in the mind of God. By extension, our thoughts exist in the forms of other universes. |
Everything exists as thought in the mind of God.
| Rasputin wrote: | ...our thoughts lack the omnipotence of God's thoughts, and all the other perfect qualities they bear.
Are your own created universes less real than us? |
Created universes always have less detail.
However, with a realistic understanding of God...
Sub-Universes can be "combined" with the real universe..
| Rasputin wrote: | | ..is your arguement that our thoughts bear the power to create universes? |
Yes
| Rasputin wrote: | | According to you, are we less real than God? |
Yes
| Rasputin wrote: | | How can we share God's essence if we are merely his thoughts? |
If you participate in God's story, you become more than "mere thoughts"..
And then you'll goto "Heaven," where God will remember you forever. |
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| Rasputin wrote: | Allisfulloflove, I relate to your negative attitude toward humanity, but the thing is this: All if full of light and dark, good and evil (except God). But God created us full of potential, knowing full well, in his omnipotence, what would follow. But he created us with the power of choice, and that choice gave our lives an intrinsic value than they would not have it we were mere machines that followed Him perfectly but didn't have to choose to do so.
Everyone will make mistakes, sometimes really big ones. The beauty of a human life, though, if found not in the absence of mistakes, because then it wouldn't be a human life, not a life at all, merely the existence of a machine. The beauty of human life comes from the process of learning from mistakes, and the progression that results from that.
Given this tremendous power God gave us (which is nothing compared to His), it is our responsibility to use it responsibly. That is why it is our place to function as stewards of this world, precisely because we have the potential to serve as the most terrible exploiters of it.
If we chucked our advanced technologies and lived off the land, yes, the land would be more pure and species would not be extinct or endangered or dependent on humans for their survival. At the same time, we also would not exercise our potential, would not be what we are, would not be what God created us to be. Nature would not progress to reach it's full potential, imbued in it by God Himself.
Regarding dogs being dependent on humans for their survival, it is due to human intervention that dogs have become perhaps the most varied species on the planet, spreading all across the earth, developing multiple adaptations in different breeds. |
i just carry a bit of a hippy-idealistic point of view. and i didnt really want to dabble into to the God talk. it was a bit of an accident how it had flown that way.
so do you believe that everything that exist, exist because God created it for us? light, earth, animals, etc? so do you not fathom the thoughts of "others" being out there in the universe? (i realize that sounds as though it might be heading in a dif. direction.) i simply ask this, because i find it hard to believe that an entire universe exist simply for us humans. and i do support theory's on evolution. and believe less in the adam & eve stories. so i don't believe that everything is created for us humans. and do carry that idea that we (animals, nature, us) are all equal. and so i do become upset when i feel as though one is being stepped on by another. but its all part of evolution and battle of the fittest i suppose. i don't doubt everything in the bible. but i feel as though much of what is read, is misconstrued and has been misinterpreted over the years.
do any of you guys have point of view on 12-21-2012? just out of curiosity.
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Kyle
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| allisfulloflove wrote: | | i simply ask this, because i find it hard to believe that an entire universe exist simply for us humans. |
It's not.
Instinctive animals stay within God's story, until crazy humans interfere.
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Mayflow, it's an interesting link. If you look at the founders of the great world religions, it seems that they were not nearly so much into ritual as their subsequent followers were. It's the dilemma of how to follow the path of personal experience leading to enlightenment while passing on said wisdom to other people. I guess since most of us aren't enlightened, it takes the form of social institutions, which unflortunately distort the original message, taking the focus off gnosis and what we can actually know, and placing it on the very temporary things our teachers sought to escape.
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Allisfulloflove, don't worry about it. I can come across like that, sometimes. I don't exactly think the entire universe was made for us.
We are more conscious that the other life forms on this planet, and as such, we have more awareness and more complex feeling regarding our lives and our deaths. Consequently, I'd say that each mean more to us than to a (other) animals.
Due to this increased conscouisness, we have the capacity to improve the world or to destroy it. Thus, we have a responsibility to ensure we do the former, and not the latter. This is what I mean by stewardship.
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Kyle, from a practical point of view, I can understand what you are saying about thoughts manifesting as behavior. From a metaphysical point of view, I don't see the how positing multiple universes functions as additional explanatory power to known phenomana or follows in as a necessary conidtion for what we already know.
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| Rasputin wrote: | | Kyle, from a practical point of view, I can understand what you are saying about thoughts manifesting as behavior. From a metaphysical point of view, I don't see the how positing multiple universes functions as additional explanatory power to known phenomana or follows in as a necessary conidtion for what we already know. |
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Kyle, stance aside, those pictures are illustrating them really well.
*thumbs up*
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hatchback. you amaze me.
how is it you have a website in response to nearly every post. haha.
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