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ysoyoung
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So I was thinking, is it possible to write a program that can make decisions based on logic? maybe by feeding it a massive amount of data one part nouns and the other verbs. This led me to think of what the basic processes in decision making in humans are, and of Maslow's hierarchy of needs where basic needs must first be fulfilled. How do we know or are aware that we need these things like love. Another thing what makes us human is that we have a conscience, we know that we are alive and that we can do something about our existence as opposed to animals who act on instinct. With a conscience we have an inherit ability to know what is wrong and what is right.
So how does this happen? How does a virus know to continue reproduction? Is there some kind of code an algorithm in its DNA to tell it, or prompt it to continue to reproduce? How do our own cells know to continue to reproduce?
If we could find what "IT" is then maybe it is possible to engineer hardware to this design. Any thoughts?
im sorry if this doesent make sense im in a hurry. will try to clarify later.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Is AI possible? |
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I think it's possible to write a program that can make decisions based on logic, actually, I think they are doing that already. I did this course in Language, Logic and Computation and we did some basic logic programming. You lay down a set of logical rules for the program to work by and it will sort through information and make decisions based on the logical rules you've outlined for it.
Maslow's heirarchy is a theory which is used to explain human behaviour. It is most likely evolution that has formed these basic understanding of needs. Love is extremely beneficial to one's survival and propagation of one's DNA.
Animals react to stimuli much like how you'd react if kicked in the foot. We've just developed the ability to chain together and predict contingencies. We can pretty much predict what will happen many number of steps ahead of the first action. And because we live in a society that thrives on harmony and reciprocity we have learnt what acts lead to positive circumstances and what does not. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Is AI possible? |
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| Mescaline wrote: | | I think it's possible to write a program that can make decisions based on logic, actually, I think they are doing that already. I did this course in Language, Logic and Computation and we did some basic logic programming. You lay down a set of logical rules for the program to work by and it will sort through information and make decisions based on the logical rules you've outlined for it. |
Some machines, like the kind that have been programmed to play chess or checkers, have favorite strategies without being programmed to select favorites--cool, huh? Emergence is another interesting theory--complex though.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3410/03.html
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Mescaline
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Is AI possible? |
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| Jhyana wrote: |
Some machines, like the kind that have been programmed to play chess or checkers, have favorite strategies without being programmed to select favorites--cool, huh? Emergence is another interesting theory--complex though. |
well I still don't think we can create "true" AI. We can probably create something that we couldn't make a distinction between human intel and AI. But then, how would you define human intelligence? |
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Jhyana
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Is AI possible? |
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| Mescaline wrote: | | Jhyana wrote: |
Some machines, like the kind that have been programmed to play chess or checkers, have favorite strategies without being programmed to select favorites--cool, huh? Emergence is another interesting theory--complex though. |
well I still don't think we can create "true" AI. We can probably create something that we couldn't make a distinction between human intel and AI. But then, how would you define human intelligence? |
I would say falsification. I don't recall if primates practice this though 
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I was conversing a while back and some information comes to mind on the matter
AI is coming soon because scientists have claimed that they have completed the first quantum calculations. In my book this means that they might actually do it soon. I doubt they have yet.
Human brains function by quantumness.
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| You could definitely give the "illusion" of AI. |
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What allows you guys to assume that human intelligence is any less artificial?
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| Kyle wrote: | | What allows you guys to assume that human intelligence is any less artificial? |
That's what I was trying to ask when I asked "But then, how would you define human intelligence?". Thanks for articulating it better than I did.
Could you stop editing your post?
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| Kyle wrote: | | What allows you guys to assume that human intelligence is any less artificial? |
What do you mean? Outside of the theoretical?
Or do you mean we use knowledge and reason to justify our impulses?
I don't know. |
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Well, I'm trying to word everything where I'm not gonna needlessly offend anyone.. lol..
But umm, basically... the idea of what humans are doing to learn, is actually quite simple...
Whether internet, tv, or books... It's all just absorbing data.
Forming decisions, is done by the data falling on one-side of the fence or the other.
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| Jhyana wrote: | | Kyle wrote: | | What allows you guys to assume that human intelligence is any less artificial? |
What do you mean? Outside of the theoretical?
Or do you mean we use knowledge and reason to justify our impulses?
I don't know. |
I think what he's trying to get at is "what makes human intelligence human and what makes artificial intelligence artificial?" We all take information and resort it and rerepresent it, much like a computer. |
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Oh, um, I just think "artificial intelligence" is just a name like "black matter."
We are not like computers they are like us. But we have imagination and, as far as I know, they don't. |
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| Jhyana wrote: | Oh, um, I just think "artificial intelligence" is just a name like "black matter."
We are not like computers they are like us. But we have imagination and, as far as I know, they don't. |
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I wrote an essay on this in a philosophy/study of knowledge class once. There are some terms such as "Areas of Knowledge" which I had to include to get a good grade (moronic school system), but I think it's pretty good. Here's the conclusion anyway, if you find it interesting:
Terms:
Areas of Knowing: Subjects and other categories such as mathematics, ethics, sciences and so on.
Ways of Knowing: Perception, emotion, reason and logic, 4 ways you can know something, according to the Theory of Knowledge class it's THE 4 ways of knowing something.
| Quote: | | The problems with the question of whether machines can know are many, mostly language problems. The definitions of words such as knowledge and self-awareness are lacking and always critisised. A machine can be said to know, but that is mostly knowledge similar to a priori knowledge, which is knowledge independent of experience. To aquire a priori knowledge, it just needs a program that is programmed to repond to certain kinds of stimuli. In that sense, a computer knows that it is to execute a programming. But a computer is not self-aware, which means that it cannot achieve all types of knowledge. Areas of Knowledge it can be said to know are, for example Mathematics and maybe the mathematics of the Natural Sciences, and perhaps some calculation regarding measurements in the Arts. In regards to the Natural Sciences, in medicine and psychology, a program could diagnose patients by analysing tests and checking symptoms to a database. However, there are examples of AI that learns, for example in some video games, but then the code of the program is self-aware, not the computer itself. The computer executes, but does not know. Maybe if a computer was equipped with programs that were as many and as full of variables as all the capabilities of the human brain, self-awareness would arise, and it would be capable of knowing, but this has not been done as of 2007. A human is similar to a computer in regards to the basics of information processing, which is mostly electric signals and reactions to those signals. But the reactions are the difference, since ours can generate abstract meanings and concepts. There is not a computer with this ability yet. When it cannot believe that it knows, it cannot know. It also cannot have justified true belief. It can aquire a priori knowledge through language, it can reason, as seen with chess-playing computers that calculate a number of possibilities and decide which one is the best, and it can perceive. It can aquire knowledge through these Ways of Knowing, but it cannot know since it does not have self-awareness. |
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