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[Vylence]

Link to MRIs and lies.
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9w1 sx, INTP

[Dancer]

I don't think I really liked that. Polygraphs are intrusive enough.
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INTJ type 9

[Vylence]

Though, it can only lead to the truth!
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9w1 sx, INTP

[Dancer]

There are other ways to truth that does not need to intimidate people.
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INTJ type 9

[invicta]

For your consideration:


Truth is everywhere, there is nothing untrue anywhere; it may appear so, because we cannot accurately relate it.--AO Spare

Whoever we are, the borrowed pretensions are our defect—always less worthy than our own Truth, unnecessary and futile. By them we are unfitted to be sincere; it endangers what good we have: this mediocracy lives only its inferiorities.--AO Spare

Something to think about regarding what is and what is not a 'lie'. The laws of man should not be above the potential of man, nor should they be used to further the interests of a designated few. But that is always the way it happens. We can make anything "true" that serves our interests.

The MRI detects cognitive dissonance, not 'lies'.

[Vylence]

MRIs can detect brain activity.

If we are to believe the news article when someone says red is blue, the MRI would be able to notice a detectable pattern in their brain activity, which would show a noticable difference than if someone said red is red.

We are talking about factual truth here, Invicta. You are only confusing things.

We who use the English language have certain agreed upon rules and deffinitions. If you don't want to use the rules, then you obviously don't want to communicate. If you don't want to communicate then why do you talk?
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9w1 sx, INTP

[Vylence]

Oh yes, Dancer, what intimidates people is much more like the metaphorical "truth" that Invicta talks of. As a society we must go beyond the individual to promote the good of the whole.

As long as no one has a reason to lie, they won't have a problem. I do understand that there are certain laws that are too harsh, or things which just should't be illegal. Though, at the same time I don't think we should waste a valuable tool to stop real problems because a few people need privacy or emotional support.
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9w1 sx, INTP

[invicta]

Vylence, try to follow along with me. There is no factual truth because everything is equally true.

So if we are talking about a dispute over a group agreement vs. individual agreement over what is or is not true, then we aren't even discussing 'truth' we are discussing the level of comfort one has with the agreement.

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[invicta]

The link was broken for me too--i never read it.

But still--i had some driving time today and was free to consider this further. This is what I came up with:

During the 1500-1700 era, many citizens were accused of being witches. These people were often already guilty in the minds of others but still, it was considered necessary to test them for honesty. Most accused witches probably didn't want to die a torturous death so they denied being witches. There were many 'lie detecting' tests imposed upon those presumed guilty.

This is no different, it may be superior in technology but it is not superior in theory.

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[Dancer]

[Kallisto]

[Vylence]

Things are not equally true. I don't know where you come up with that stuff Invicta.

And it seems you Dancer, Kallisto, have some paranioa over authority. It might be warrented, but I point out that the strong always fall. Which goes to show we shouldn't stop trying to build a better system. If people aren't afraid of lies it would be better.

All of the really repressive regimes fall apart, so to limit a good system because your afraid of something seems stupid to me. It would be a valuable tool.
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9w1 sx, INTP

[Archangel]