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AvereX
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We are all familiar with the id, the ego, and the superego
which are the collective of one's psyche.
it would be rather fair to say that each is individual not an island unto himself,
and that although similar,
we employ distinct traits that mesh to make us......us
Accordingly,
what type,
does your psyche resemble the most as the
id
ego(inherent type)
and superego ?
here is a wiki if anyone needs a stepping stone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego
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Mayflow
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I just think it is too simplistic and too much based on the idea that
the super-ego comes about because the boy child is sexually
attracted to his mom (subliminally, I suppose?) and then the super-ego
takes control because the ego is worried about being castrated?
There are just so many things wrong and or missing from this to my mind.
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| Mayflow wrote: | I just think it is too simplistic and too much based on the idea that
the super-ego comes about because the boy child is sexually
attracted to his mom (subliminally, I suppose?) and then the super-ego
takes control because the ego is worried about being castrated?
There are just so many things wrong and or missing from this to my mind. |
Yah, Freudian garbage |
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Mayflow
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| zillah wrote: | | Mayflow wrote: | I just think it is too simplistic and too much based on the idea that
the super-ego comes about because the boy child is sexually
attracted to his mom (subliminally, I suppose?) and then the super-ego
takes control because the ego is worried about being castrated?
There are just so many things wrong and or missing from this to my mind. |
Yah, Freudian garbage |
I listen to a song on the radio right now. It's called "I don't like it, but I guess things happen that way"
I am a male, but I don't like the way our societies have been so patriarical
for the last some thousands of years. Why is god to be a "he?"
I am no more or less a god in my opinion because of my current
gender, and I don't appreciate anyone thinking that it may be so.
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Freud tried to reduce everything to sexual issues. Jung tried to broaden this scope. I think the idea of id, ego, and superego is very useful. I don't see why we can't extract it from Freud's theory while leaving behind his narrow-minded focus on sexual issues. Frued had a lot of valuable contributions, such as general psychoanalytical process.
AvereX, I'm not sure I get your implication that our true personality is somehow more tied to the ego than to the id or superego. Sense of self, maybe, but that is not the same as personality. In fact, the two can diverge quite a bit. I'd say my personality is most closely tied to superego. |
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AvereX
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| Rasputin wrote: | Freud tried to reduce everything to sexual issues. Jung tried to broaden this scope. I think the idea of id, ego, and superego is very useful. I don't see why we can't extract it from Freud's theory while leaving behind his narrow-minded focus on sexual issues. Frued had a lot of valuable contributions, such as general psychoanalytical process.
AvereX, I'm not sure I get your implication that our true personality is somehow more tied to the ego than to the id or superego. Sense of self, maybe, but that is not the same as personality. In fact, the two can diverge quite a bit. I'd say my personality is most closely tied to superego. |
I apologize for my poor wording
in fact,
this was rather poor in clarity
i was trying to type everyone's id/ego/superego
eww
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| Rasputin wrote: | Freud tried to reduce everything to sexual issues. Jung tried to broaden this scope. I think the idea of id, ego, and superego is very useful. I don't see why we can't extract it from Freud's theory while leaving behind his narrow-minded focus on sexual issues. Frued had a lot of valuable contributions, such as general psychoanalytical process.
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Quoted for motherfucking truth. 
Just like we can accept Jung's ideas of Introversion and Extroversion without accepting the idea of the Collective Unconscious (though you could accept the two ideas as well, I'm just using that as an example).
Just because a person says some things that are seemingly false, does not mean everything they say will be false.
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Lenka
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is id the same thing as Se (and maybe Fi)?
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I'd hesitate to say they're the same thing. Se and Fi are functions, id is a composite of subconsious impulses. If our personality is based primarlily on id, then perhaps Se and Fi would be easy matches in terms of functional preferences. But Fi is also about ideals and ethics, not just self-indulgence. I don't think it's that black and white, trying to pait these things together. Perhaps functional combinations would yield higher accuracy. For example, Se as primary function would probably be much more compatible with id than Se as secondary function.
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| shorty wrote: | | Lenka wrote: | is id the same thing as Se (and maybe Fi)?
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And Fe the super ego. |
indeed.
basically, everyone with Se, Ti and Fe fits Freud's theory.
Everyone with other functions is on that Freud's death-wish thing that supposedly represents itself as movement towards daydreaming and escape from Se-awareness. (Ne, Fi? anyone.... )
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| Lenka wrote: | | shorty wrote: | | Lenka wrote: | is id the same thing as Se (and maybe Fi)?
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And Fe the super ego. |
indeed.
basically, everyone with Se, Ti and Fe fits Freud's theory.
Everyone with other functions is on that Freud's death-wish thing that supposedly represents itself as movement towards daydreaming and escape from Se-awareness. (Ne, Fi? anyone.... ) |
haha
But to be serious. Listen to Rasputin on this one. These ideas don't necessarily have to or do correlate with MBTI or Jung's functions. They can exist alongside and complement each other I guess.
Take a look at this type description when you have a spare hour or so:
http://www.infj.com/BeebeOnINFJs.htm
There are a lot of interesting ideas in there. Archetypes and some other ideas are drawn from. Don't be turned off by the fact that it is about the INFJ. That's really only because the lady who wrote it is an INFJ, and she uses her own experience to explain a lot of things. She referring to the work of John Beebe for a lot of it. The ideas can be generalised to type theory in general, rather than just the INFJ.
It's a very worthwhile read.
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Ziv
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| Lenka wrote: | is id the same thing as Se (and maybe Fi)?
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It seems to me that Fi would be a combination of the id, ego, and superego all in one. On one hand it's focused on one's own desires, and at the same time is empathetic of the desires of others, and works to maintain balance between the two. |
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| Ziv wrote: | | Lenka wrote: | is id the same thing as Se (and maybe Fi)?
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It seems to me that Fi would be a combination of the id, ego, and superego all in one. On one hand it's focused on one's own desires, and at the same time is empathetic of the desires of others, and works to maintain balance between the two. |
Good point.
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Good job guys and Lenka
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