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[ENTJ/P]

I was wondering which of the 4 Myers-Briggs types (SJ, SP, NF, or NT) invented and kept this form of mind control through language control.

Personally, as an iNtuitive Thinker, I can NOT stand it. I can understand trying to not offend people who are different than the norm, but I do NOT agree with trying to force everyone to think the exact same way and put up with things from some people that you would not put up from the rest.

However, the most politically correct person I have ever met scored ENTP in one test (this is not my friend, but someone from online)- and is in denial about being so PC but not about being so liberal. Another INFP enforced political correctness a bit too much saying that not being PC would be rude. An ESFP I knew always steered all conversations in more than message board to politically correct topics such as "whose neighborhood is most diverse" and the sort. Finally, SJs are the ones imposing social mores and norms.

So I was wonderings which MBTI letters or temperaments- as well as which Enneagram numbers or SLOAN/Big Five letters- would PC be most associated with.

[orly]

I think NF types might have started it with good intentions and then SJs latched onto it and took it to the ridiculous rule-bound extremes.

[ENTJ/P]

That could be right.

The NFs may have been striving for harmony and everyone getting along and not hurting anyone's feelings.

Now I wonder which types are likelier to stand against political correctness. Maybe NTs being libertarian and supporting individual rights? Maybe SPs being rebels? Or SJs wanting to bring back the good old days? Perhaps NFs because it may be even more oppressive?

[Leela]

I, as another iNtuitive Thinker, really don't give a shit. In fact, I rather support political correctness in many functions. It is NOT oppressive, but it is more the tool of the peacekeeper between the ethnic, socioeconomic, international, etc., factions. No, it is not necessary in most conversations, but is pretty damn useful when you're dealing with someone who might not agree with your hometown lingo. I'm meaning, some people still twitch at the words "wetback" and "nigger" (well, hell, I do).

Frankly, I am goddamn tired of this silly backlash. Once it was cool to be politically correct, and now it's cool NOT to be politically correct. Go blow it out your holes, yo. No, I'm not politically correct, but I respect the intention of it.

And really, it could be any of the types. Any single one of them. Or even better, a collaboration.

[ENTJ/P]

Owch. Sounds like I pressed a hot button.

I am not talking about avoiding insults. More like running everything through a fine toothed comb for fear of offending any person or group. More like people who scream bloody murder at anything remotely stereotypical, yet their own speech is full of personal attacks.

[orly]

The problem with political correctness is FAR beyond just not using racial slurs. Which is fine. It's ridiculous now.

For instance. If I want to say "mankind", I will jolly well say "mankind" and I don't mean anything against women. If I want to talk about "light" and "darkness" referring to good and evil I'll do it because those metaphors existed far before race became a major issue. I'll discuss the story of Adam and Eve, not Eve and Adam.

(All these are actual examples.)

I'm INFP.

[orly]

(Oh, by the way, I'm a minority female.)

[Leela]

No, I knew what you meant. But don't hold it against people if they want to keep it clean. There are some superficial people who get bugged by "mankind" and such odd phrases, and we can't help that they have those sentiments. Do we really want to offend or avoid those people? Apparently, politically correct people do NOT want to avoid them. So why should we complain about them?

In many circumstances, I don't like the whole similarity of the lightness/darkness to how the settlers justified slavery, and I do prefer it if people clarify what they mean in different terms. Afterall, false impressions of racism, sexism, etc can leak out in your words, however mildly implicative they may be, so maybe you'd be a bit more wise to use an ounce of political correctness. I don't like coming off as a man-hating dyke when I talk about being pro-choice, y'know?

And it still sounds like you're following the "political correctness is bogus" fad. Hot button? In a way. Most of the time, political correctness is just politeness. I think I'd rather people understanding what I mean, rather than what I unintentionally imply. So, I hate this goddamn fad.

[shesacalifornian]

in a way, making everything too politically correct just makes it EASIER to offend ppl.

but hey, i enjoy a little leniancy in life myself. hard core rules and ppl getting jumpy over nothing really bother me. (im an ENTP)

[ENTJ/P]

Wow Leela, remind me to never get on your wrong side.

This is just reminding me a bit too much of people who go ape (and that's putting it mildly) when someone says anything that could be remotely distorted to sound halfway prejudiced. People who force others to walk on eggshells and censor everything.

Sadly, people like that often compensate for their political correctness by overloading the personal insults. It's as if they think that because they are not prejudiced, they can get away with everything else.

[Field Marshal]

It's got nothing to do with being cool. Give me a break. It's just plain stupid and hypocritical to refuse to call things by their name, when everybody knows what the hell you're talking about anyway. It's an NF thing taken over by SJ's who've made it into rules.

People shouldn't be so sensitive. In this world, we're always trying to "protect" others feelings by not saying things that might "hurt" them. What this does is create a culture of victimization, of weakness. This doesn't bring respect from other people, it creates the opposite. If you say "mankind" and a dumb feminist gets pissed off, do you respect her more for it? Of course not.

PC just creates things worse. It ignores the problem. By changing the label, you're not going to get rid of the prejudice or discrimination. You're just going to force people to put up an act when they'll secretly still think the way they always did. You're going to encourage hyporcisy instead of open conflict when you got to have the cards on the table and brings things out in the open.
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[ENTJ/P]

Your username says it all.

I guess it's an ENTJ thing to think PC is BS. My ENTP best friend does not have as much of a problem with using a "PC version of La Cucaracha".

I do think it is right that NFs invented it. However, someone I know that is probably an 8 and possibly an ENTP is SO politically correct- boasting proudly about being prejudiced against prejudiced people and raising inferno about anything remotely racist that appears. Always enforcing political correctness.

As a 3w4 I am very sensitive overall. And it irks me to be reduced to a member of my hometown or ethnic group. BUT that is mainly because back there I always felt like a stranger- bizarre accent, hardly any N's there (I only met one other NT there- an INTP with Asperger's Syndrome), overall tastes and way of seeing the world very different, people thinking that everyone there has the same genetics due to few representatives, etc. etc. etc. However, I am also the first one to laugh at jokes regarding my general ethnic background or specific hometown! I admit that many of the stereotypes do exist- whether they apply to me or whether I shattered them.

I think personal attacks and insults are way worse. And those hurt more to be honest. Those reflect true malice, as compared to carelessness or lack of awareness of how a culture and its members truly are.

[Field Marshal]

I agree. And I'd like to add that I have a strong hatred of racism and discrimination. But compared to some PC friends of mine, I don't have a problem calling a cat a cat... People from other groups feel it anyway if you're not sincere. I get along well with people from alot of different ethnicities because I just aim at being honest and am not frightened of hurting or shocking them.
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[Leela]

[ENTJ/P]

I am not saying that you made personal insults. Hey, I rarely ever curse, and I never make fun of people. However, I do like to talk about certain topics that some people consider politically incorrect. And I have gotten into trouble for it.