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lightsun · Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: god

Why can't science prove that there is God?

Or
Why can't or doesn't God prove that he exists?

Why prolong the misery?
Why prolong the game or experiment?
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Kyle · Advanced Member Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 2210

Science isn't trying to prove God.
Science could be thought of as a quest to determine the truth aside from God.

However, every scientific truth we discover comes from the light of God.
Science simply looks for scientific explanations about God's creation.
God is always right there.

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How did the universe begin?
God, or... The big bang.

How was the big bang created?
God, or... A neutron star.

How was the neutron star created?
God, or... All the matter in the universe coming together.

What happened before that?
God, or... It is repeating cycle of creation/destruction.

How was this cycle created?
God, or... Our universe comes with matter.

Where did the matter come from?
God, or... It was created from something.

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How was the universe created?
Before we said the big bang, we said God.

Do you really expect science to be able to answer all the questions and completely leave God out of it?
There are always going to be more questions, and ultimately, it goes back to God. God is everything.

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Free-willed people, seek out to find the truth about God by not looking for God. And then they bitch about how they can't find him.

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God is the way he is,
so that when people do love him,
he knows that it's genuine.

Free-willed people, choosing to love him and believe in him,
with the least amount of proof possible.
That's genuine love.

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I can keep going forever.
However, you need to tell me what you wanna know about.
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RadicalDreamer · Advanced Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 4049

What I think is God does prove it's existence with the concepts of the soul. It is proven scientifically by the connection between consciousness and the brain. I think it all depends on ones point of view.
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lordofthefood1 · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:09 am Post subject:

God is a place where some holy spectacle lies.
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lightsun · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: god

One of the reasons I asked this question was too end the division amongst us!
If it go one way or the other.
I don't care which way it goes, god or no god, as long as it is truth and there
can be peace amongst us!!
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Lenka · Advanced Member Joined: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 3877

ha! lightsun, what you ask is impossible,

the battle isn't for the truth but for what HAPPENS when a certain belief is held - they are games of power, comfort and the survival of decent society. Truth solves nothing; it's optional; they're all right.

I vote for God though.
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Zephr · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject:

Well, I personally think the most likely answer is god's existence can't be proven because religious people have claimed that he's all powerful and hiding from us to test our faith to shut up their followers who kept asking why this miracle stuff never happened when reliable witnesses were around. It just sort of stuck as an all around good explanation for anything that didn't make sense after that.

Seriously, if god in his love and wisdom decided that it would be fun to hide all direct evidence of his existence and then burn anyone who doesn't believe in him in hell for all eternity, then god is an asshole. Why should I worship an asshole? It's a silly story made up by people who wanted power, and got it by pretending to have the answers to tough questions that everyone wants to know the answers to.

The one thing I think everyone here will agree to however is that we will never all agree on this.
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lightsun · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: god

Kyle, I respect everything you just said and can appreciate it.
Too talk a little religion
I was "saved" when I was 13,
Since then I have had doubts.
So I have currently a compromised version of religion.
The closest I can come to saying there is a god, is my belief that all of us
our interrelated.
Not only us but the entire planet. Not only the planet, but apparently
the entire universe.
Also there are at least two tangents with god.
One some believe in a higher power but not the bible or any scripture
written by man.
Others believe in god and a scripture as well.
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ohifwinterends · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject:

We can only prove God's existence through ourselves and to ourselves. There's no point in trying to prove God's existence to others, especially if they don't already believe. If someone already has their mind made up about God's existence, there is surely no convincing them anyways...so why try? I don't understand why someone would want to try to disprove God's existence to another person also.
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nonentropic · Advanced Member Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 2359

it is a question of what one means when one uses the term: God
that is always the issue
that is where the disagreements-the differences occur

the idea of a unified whole is not often the problem
it's the specifics
maybe that's what should be left alone perhaps

each has a right to their own beliefs
their own conceptions
their own vision in my worldview
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the beliefs come after the fact
after the fact of one's being born into this world (without choice)

belief is secondary
existence primary-comes first

nothing (no thing) is equal
but the whole to itself (& the transistions within it)
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problems also often develop because some are approaching God from a more thinking-rational point of view perhaps more so and more often than just feeling the oneness-the connection between all things. i think it's best to seek to get the heart-mind-spirit of an individual to all come together...become integrated...so that one can live the best most satisfying life possible - always
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Lenka · Advanced Member Joined: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 3877

God isn't physically floating around as an object limited by normal laws of physics and existing in real space and time.

just my two cents.
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nonentropic · Advanced Member Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 2359

Isra · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:06 am Post subject:

Lightsun, there are people who believe that the interconnectedness of everything is "God."

God is the glue that binds, so to speak.

It seems like a more valid choice *to me, personally* than believing in sky-pixies and zombie-saviors. But I'm rather cynical that way. Very Happy

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lightsun · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: god

Isra, i'm pretty much in alignment with your point of view.
I had some thoughts from a previous post. Here it is.

I think that anything that can not be explained as of yet is attributed to
god.
There is SO much that we don't know.
It is the unknown. It causes us distress.
We NEED an explanation
Our curious mind with it's curiosity needs to know, and to classify
things both to make ourselves feel better & to explain it to others.
Our wonderful creative brain fills in the blanks.
We use metaphors to describe things we may not know the truth of.
These metaphors are written down.
People hold on to it to explain reality.
It is taken as truth.
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Romana · Advanced Member Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2939