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C.Beck
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| C.Beck wrote: | | hmmh hmhm. Alyssa, do you agree with introversion? because i'm seein' Te. Last pick. up the ying yang. i'll just quit if Te isn't in the top two functions. |
The reason why I chose Ti was that she didn't seem as interested in induction than deduction. IxxJs prefer to work in a single structure and Fitzgibbons is probably comfortable with more flexibility.
But I can definitely see how you got there. Ti with a sensing function can pull off a Te-esque appearance.
| Quote: | Interaction Styles: ISTPs have a Chart-the-Course™ Interaction Style, which goes with a desire to enter a situation with some sort of course of action in mind. It doesn’t have to be a detailed plan and ISTPs often seem planful as they analyze a situation in anticipation of what is likely to happen. ISTPs and INTJs share this Interaction Style and so would look alike in that way.
The Chart-the-Course™ style often seems like the Strategic intelligence that is an important aspect of the Rational temperament pattern and ISTPs often relate to the description of the Rational temperament over the Artisan temperament.
http://www.bestfittype.com/istp_intpintj.html |
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| Fitzgibbons wrote: | Anyway, thanks again for the input. It's interesting that I am overwhelmingly perceived as a T. Do I have a soulless look in my eye or something?  |
It's a negative indication for a woman to be a T?  JK. 
You do appear more willing (perhaps, instinctively) to share facts and an analysis of them over discussing personal values. The F is more subtle (2nd photo); we might get a better glimpse of it as we become better acquainted.
Physically, you have this athletic-look. It's like you're making a quick calculation of your environment before choosing a decision. I could almost hear Isra's words in the first picture:
| Isra wrote: | Reason #327 that I'm clearly an ISTP.
It started snowing today, sticking to the roads almost immediately.
I drive a little car with front-wheel drive (better than rear-wheel drive, but definitely not as good as four-wheel drive), and haven't had my snow tires put on yet.
And I took my cat to the vet as it was just starting, a half-hour drive each way.
After returning home, I chose to leave the house again, going a little further this time, with the roads already getting worse. Even I-5 was slow. Husband and I went to a friend's house, to game and socialize. Nothing important at all. (Showing the better side of his INTJ-ness, he trusted my estimation of the safety of our journey and my skill in navigating it.)
We left the friend's house around 11:30 pm, and I drove home. On icy roads, in sideways snow, without once losing any sort of control over the vehicle.
As a matter of fact, I really enjoyed the whole adventure, and I would be out driving now if I wasn't so tired.
What can I say, driving in the snow is something I like doing, partly because I'm good at it and get to do it so rarely. Calculated risk. |
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It's your bone structure, it's hard for the more euro oriented to decipher it in terms of Feeling attitude with certain groups of native americans. My first Sargent was a native from Boise, very readable because he super exaggerated is emotions and stress in voice to let everyone know when and what he was feeling, shit could come out of the blue sometimes and startle you.
Asians have it harder, they got the squint eye. Alaskans have the fat face, and thus always look happy and fat, so in so in some ways, they got a reversal form of the accidental discrimination.
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Isra
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Fitzgibbons, I admit I thought you looked very critical and judgemental... I realize now, though, that I often look the same in pictures. What I saw as being Fe-critical-of-people is likely what Nightwing is describing.
By the way, Nightwing, it feels kind of odd to know that you've been paying attention to me, I usually assume that no one does. And thanks for posting the "Interaction Styles" bit... I've often wondered how I can find so much in common with INTJs, what with the functional differences, but that article explains what I couldn't quite put my finger on.
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Fitzgibbons
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| Unsane wrote: | You look evil.  |
Haha, I've often been avoided for this very reason. People have told me that I look angry all the time, when in reality I am very very far from anger. I like to think that I'm a pretty nice person . 
| C.Beck wrote: | ow, ow-ow. shunnnned.
Ease my mind, fitzgibbons, can you do this test for me?
http://cognitivestyles.com/
the personality test. |
It said "you appear to emphasize Perceiver strategy." I suspect that this does not ease your mind.
| nightwing wrote: | The reason why I chose Ti was that she didn't seem as interested in induction than deduction. IxxJs prefer to work in a single structure and Fitzgibbons is probably comfortable with more flexibility.
But I can definitely see how you got there. Ti with a sensing function can pull off a Te-esque appearance. |
Thanks for that link. I hadn't really been doubting my type before, but now I see that I may have been overlooking ISTP because of a bias against sensors (I'm a student in a graduate program in the humanities, which means that I tend to think of myself as theoretically-oriented). I'll have to look into it.
| nightwing wrote: | You do appear more willing (perhaps, instinctively) to share facts and an analysis of them over discussing personal values. The F is more subtle (2nd photo); we might get a better glimpse of it as we become better acquainted.
Physically, you have this athletic-look. It's like you're making a quick calculation of your environment before choosing a decision. I could almost hear Isra's words in the first picture: |
My athleticism is a mixed bag. I am quite clumsy, but I have pretty good hand-eye coordination and spacial judgment. It's why I've always been better at sports and driving than most other women my age. Bu I still very often walk into things and trip over the ground, so my environmental awareness is (embarrassingly) low on most occasions.
As to Isra's post, I can relate insofar as I have a tendency to derive satisfaction out of navigating my way through adverse conditions. The increased risk of something happening makes me pay attention to details that I otherwise miss, which improves my state of driving. Otherwise I'm usually too careless (and often a bit reckless, according to my mother).
And yeah, I am much more willing to relate facts and analysis in my communication with others than my personal values (whatever that means...they change all the time anyway).
| The Troll Emperor of Doom wrote: | It's your bone structure, it's hard for the more euro oriented to decipher it in terms of Feeling attitude with certain groups of native americans. My first Sargent was a native from Boise, very readable because he super exaggerated is emotions and stress in voice to let everyone know when and what he was feeling, shit could come out of the blue sometimes and startle you.
Asians have it harder, they got the squint eye. Alaskans have the fat face, and thus always look happy and fat, so in so in some ways, they got a reversal form of the accidental discrimination. |
I'm actually half Japanese and half "white." Hapa, if you will. The white part ends up being a mixture of British and Spanish ancestry. Like I mentioned before, people tend to read my unaffected state as a state of anger.
| Isra wrote: | | Fitzgibbons, I admit I thought you looked very critical and judgemental... I realize now, though, that I often look the same in pictures. What I saw as being Fe-critical-of-people is likely what Nightwing is describing. |
Yeah, I get the "snob" thing very often. Or people telling me that I'm angry, or making a "sour face." I'm really very non-judgmental, though. I tend to live my life in a state of indifference towards most things going on around me. |
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| Fitzgibbons wrote: | Well, I self-identify as INTP, but I've been confused between that and ISTP in the past.
Definitely not an ISTJ or INTJ.
Anyway, thanks again for the input. It's interesting that I am overwhelmingly perceived as a T. Do I have a soulless look in my eye or something? |
I thought what you said showed an analytical quality.
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| Fitzgibbons wrote: | ...
Thanks for that link. I hadn't really been doubting my type before, but now I see that I may have been overlooking ISTP because of a bias against sensors (I'm a student in a graduate program in the humanities, which means that I tend to think of myself as theoretically-oriented). I'll have to look into it.
My athleticism is a mixed bag. I am quite clumsy, but I have pretty good hand-eye coordination and spacial judgment. It's why I've always been better at sports and driving than most other women my age. Bu I still very often walk into things and trip over the ground, so my environmental awareness is (embarrassingly) low on most occasions.
As to Isra's post, I can relate insofar as I have a tendency to derive satisfaction out of navigating my way through adverse conditions. The increased risk of something happening makes me pay attention to details that I otherwise miss, which improves my state of driving. Otherwise I'm usually too careless (and often a bit reckless, according to my mother).
Yeah, I get the "snob" thing very often. Or people telling me that I'm angry, or making a "sour face." I'm really very non-judgmental, though. I tend to live my life in a state of indifference towards most things going on around me. |
1) There is quite a bit of anti-S bias here... but the fact is that Ti loves to theorize, which should be your dominant function whether you're an INTP or ISTP. And really, Se isn't just about looking at pretty stuff, or feeling physically good...
2) Or even being graceful. I bump into furniture and stuff all the time, I sometimes trip when I'm walking on flat ground, but I can pack for a camping trip like I'm playing Tetris, and no one is ever able to sneak up on me, because I'm generally that aware or the world around me. Just to give a couple of examples.
3) Even if you're not an ISTP, that means you have a relatively strong Se, I believe. Zephr and Thrusthamster both have high Se use where they're not supposed to, and I've buckets of Ne where it doesn't belong. The theories only go so far in describing us, anyway.
4) Me too, lady, me too. I might be aware of the outside world, but I'm generally indifferent.
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| RadicalDreamer wrote: | | I thought what you said showed an analytical quality. |
Ah, so I poisoned it from the beginning. |
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