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Romana · Advanced Member Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2939

O Star (the fairest one in sight),
We grant your loftiness the right
To some obscurity of cloud –
It will not do to say of night,
Since dark is what brings out your light.
Some mystery becomes the proud.
But to be wholly taciturn
In your reserve is not allowed.
Say something to us we can learn
By heart and when alone repeat.
Say something! And it says "I burn."
But say with what degree of heat.
Talk Fahrenheit, talk Centigrade.
Use language we can comprehend.
Tell us what elements you blend.
It gives us strangely little aid,
But does tell something in the end.
And steadfast as Keats' Eremite,
Not even stooping from its sphere,
It asks a little of us here.
It asks of us a certain height,
So when at times the mob is swayed
To carry praise or blame too far,
We may choose something like a star
To stay our minds on and be staid.

Robert Frost
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Zephr · Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject:

Kyle · Advanced Member Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 2210

You guys are still tearing her apart?
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The Troll Emperor of Doom · Advanced Member Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 481

Yes. But no. Kerry knows I don't really care about her converting to Islam, it was the teenage shock factor/ emo thing. Islam is a perfectly good religion, but none the less, it's like a moroccan teenager choosing to become christian during the dark days of the spanish inquisition, it's gonna raise some eyebrows. She has some good reasons for her re-conversion back to Islam.

As to Lenka, it will be easier to tell you about the mass if you tell me what denomination your going into. Given your a bit older than Kerry, no one cares if your going to church or not for the right or wrong reasons... that's your internal lie to worry about if there is one..... no one could really care at your age.

Is it Catholic, C of E, Celtic Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, some random protestant branch? The services, creeds, dress codes, and views differ in each.
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RadicalDreamer · Advanced Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 4049

I think she converted because she liked the philosophy, found a community she liked, and because she was tired of ogling men. It isn't like she joined the Salafist or Takfiris. The thing that confuses me is her view that elitism is a negative thing when it is perceived as directed against her but when it is directed against people she considers to be degenerate it seems to be okay.

Matthew 7
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The Troll Emperor of Doom · Advanced Member Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 481

Yes Mayflow, he wrote other poems as well. He is not well known, given Robert Frost is a underground writer and not known outside of a very select circle. He mostly has a following in downtown Houston.
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Zephr · Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject:

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TexasIsUninhabitable · Newbie Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 7

You can write all day, but who went through my stuff? Who expects me to be nice to any pig after you went through my stuff? How can people respect you if you act like a pig? All you did was show what pigs you really are.

Note: The UK has billboards making fun of Americans because they think we are pigs. They are right. (That was 30 years ago, lol.)

lordofthefood1 · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:14 am Post subject:

I don't understand your post at all Lenka.

I mean, I'm basically a Christian (minus the whole Trinity and Resurrection/Messiah thing)
(err, that is another issue....)

OK, so I'm no where close
but the point is that your "inner ISTJ" should enjoy it
it offers a rule set and such

for those "fuzzy" lines, you go to a scholar that knows the stuff.

If your "inner ISTJ" is bothered, consult an ISTJ that knows the stuff
THE STUFF.

balsdfalala

btw, something strange that I've been hearing: a lot of "Christians" I know are saying that "Catholics" are not Christians. (Well, a lot of *Christians* (or anythings) are just not practicing fully; I don't count them, so iduno).

Idol worship!

Technically isn't Jesus the Flesh an idol? It is like a paradox, He is still God, but he is also an idol. The Hebrew word used for idol is "something of form" (or something like that), so that is something strange.

sorry, I haven't been on a forum in forever.
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Lenka · Advanced Member Joined: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 3877

The Troll Emperor of Doom · Advanced Member Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 481

Catholic church has several different Eucharistic mass, the older Tridentine Mass is used by many old fashion catholics- as well as many break away catholic groups- it's easy to find out if they are in communion with the church, just look for the picture of the pope- they will likely use the 1962 missal with the 65 updates. The tridentine mass has more in common with the eastern orthodox mass (and they are getting ready for another council to reunify the western church with the eastern one, all the greek bishops here just went up to NY for preliminary talks- if the schism ends, almost certainly by default the catholic church will be forced to revert back to more traditional forms of worship so as to be on the same footing as the orthodox)

You also have the modern version developed during the second vatican council. You also have eastern rites in the greek catholic , ukrainian catholic, russian catholic churches that are increasingly returning back to the old liturgies and masses.

There are many ways to take communion, in the hand, in your mouth, kneeling, rectally in Massachusetts if your a choir boy, etc.... suit your fancy, not a big concern.

Some churches do the mass in latin- be it old or new rite- expect it to be just a tad bit more conservative.

The benefits of the catholic church is not the mass- it is the diversity of it's monasteries and writings of the saints, as well as it's massive reservoir of ancient, medieval, and cutting edge contemporary literature- especially in the area of philosophy and physics, and even science.

It is allowed, and even encouraged, for catholics to embrace evolution, but not mandated by any means (i do for example) Many ideologies and viewpoints exist within, be it the neo-marxist Liberation Theology movement within the catholic church, to more scientific and research oriented Franciscans, to the near democratic scholars of the Dominicans. We have militant and pacifists within the church, socialists and capitalists, agitators and peace makers, democracy and monarchy- even a few atheists- brahmin meditating on the trinity on the Ganges to professors emeritus in the finest universities.

Since you live in europe, a trip to the Vatican is advisable, a rather simple pilgrimage via bus or train. Also look into exploring it's local and international social services, they are always looking for volunteers- you will see the full, crucial nature of what it is to be catholic if you were to give a couple of hours up in helping a supportive cause.
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