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lightsun
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 Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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Why is it so hard to keep open minds.
We hear something we don't like or don't "UNDERSTAND", and the gloves are off.
We don't listen well without our ego's getting triggered and then we are ruled by
our emotional brain.
We don't take the time to PROCESS and "REFLECT".
We don't treat the person with who we disagree respect.
We did not learn this in our homes.
We did not learn this in our schools.
Our parents did not learn the is premarital counseling.
I am generalizing.
There are exceptions.
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Hostility is a common reaction in those that lack an openess of mind. The only way to change that is to feed the ignorance with knowledge and reasoning. Patience and perseverence too.
More then half the time, the effort exceeds the result (and/or the gratification). C'est la vie. |
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lightsun
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| Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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One of the things to consider is that we live in different perceptual realities.
There is one supreme reality.
None of can see it.
We have erroneous beliefs.
We follow distractions.
Our speech can have MANY distortions.
Therefore we live in different realities grounded by the REAL reality.
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| das.energi wrote: | Hostility is a common reaction in those that lack an openess of mind. The only way to change that is to feed the ignorance with knowledge and reasoning. Patience and perseverence too.
More then half the time, the effort exceeds the result (and/or the gratification). C'est la vie. |
One can apply this to one's own mind and reasonings too then, correct?
So you see? If I get angry or outraged, then I can see my mind has not the open qualities that I would prefer, and with patience and perserverence, we can change a few paradigms for the mutual betterment, so to speak? Whether my mind and I change others around us is debatable, but we can at least fall in love with one-another, and create an event horizon.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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I liked your response Mayflow.
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"Flood" by Tool reminds me of this topic. It pretty much expresses what I wanted to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FlbtiTFmMA
Here comes the water.
All I knew
and all I believed
are crumbling images
that no longer comfort me.
I scramble to reach higher ground,
some order and sanity,
or something to comfort me.
So I take what is mine,
and hold what is mine,
suffocate what is mine,
and bury what's mine.
Soon the water will come
and claim what is mine.
I must leave it behind,
and climb to a new place now.
This ground is not the rock I thought it to be.
Thought I was high, and free.
I thought I was there divine destiny.
I was wrong.
This changes everything.
The water is rising up on me.
Thought the sun would come deliver me,
but the truth has come to punish me instead.
The ground is breaking down right under me.
Cleanse and purge me in the water.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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Thank you very much for sharing that song from tool, Purity.
I will definitely check out the song track.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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das.energi, "Hostility is a common reaction in those that lack an
openness of mind".
I agree.
That is why jesus, socrates, ghandi, & MLK, were all killed.
This is an unfortunate travesty.
das.energi, "The only way to change them is to feed the ignorance with
knowledge and reasoning".
This takes education, and more education in our school systems.
I know this is extreme, but I don't believe that all people should be
ALLOWED to have children until they can pass courses.
COME ON, we have to pass tests to get a job or drive a car, but
ANYONE can have kids.
It does not make sense.
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das.energi
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: Re: open minded + open hearted |
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| lightsun wrote: |
I know this is extreme, but I don't believe that all people should be
ALLOWED to have children until they can pass courses.
COME ON, we have to pass tests to get a job or drive a car, but
ANYONE can have kids.
It does not make sense. |
Im really glad you raised this point but it can be a very complicated matter. What if a parent does not have a post secondary education, but is very nurturing and has saved up enough money to pay for their child's college tuition?
What about a very well schooled parent who lacks empathy and fails to cultivate their childs potential? What if they push too hard for the child to become something they are not?
While theoretically an educated person has the knowledge required to provide adequate care for a child, they may subject to environmental stress/factors which would prevent them from being an influential part of their childs life. An example of this perhaps, the CEO of a large company whose more then over-qualified to raise a child cannot find the time to be fully involved and committed to the child. Somehow food has to be put on the table, and post secondary education doesnt pay for itself. Good intentions may be present, but the execution could very well be lacking.
And what of parents that will always put themselves before their children? Educated? yes. Empathetic? not a chance.
Its not that clear cut, unfortunately. |
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It's possible Lightsun was speaking of parenting specific courses, in which case i agree. I don't think too many laws should change concerning parenting but i do think that a small base of common knowledge and well established/supported ideas should be shared. For instance, i am a huge fan of attribution theory. That might be something that most parents haven't considered or wouldn't consider in raising their child and it's a model of how they directly influence their little person, knowing about it or not.
It's be like passing a smart-serve, so you can serve alcohol in ontario. A short test and information briefing to make sure you're not a sub-par human being.
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I recently had a discussion with someone where we were discussing national infrastructures and social responsibility. We seemed to be openminded on both ends, but it kept seeming as though the other person repeated objections to points I'd already clarified. It was strange, but it was as if he completely zoned out while I was talking, to think about what he wanted to say next.
Not exactly a closed-mind but more of a kind of hypnosis in self-thought during communication, in this case.
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lightsun
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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Annabel_Lee.
There are a number of emotional takes I could take if I was in a similar situation.
First off, on the surface, he did not appear to possess much emotional intelligence.
Second, he demonstrated poor listening skills.
There are a number of reasons for this happening.
One is nervous anxiety.
I could conceivably felt both frustrated and disrespected.
How did YOU feel?
How did you handle it?
On the flip side, I could have taken it all in stride.
It depends on the situation and how passionate I am about the subject!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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Mayflow, "So you see? If I get angry or outraged, then I can see my mind has
not the open qualities I would prefer.
Yes.
This is true. That is why I am such a proponent of looking within for answers
about self, rather than attacking the external world.
I hate losing control.
Being angry one is out if control and is in a sense "possessed"!
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lightsun
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: open minded + open hearted |
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I can respect your concerns, das.energi.
In fact I share them. Just because a parent has a Ph.D, does not necessarily
make them a good parent.
C. Beck, "...but I do think that a small base of common knowledge and well
established/supported ideas should be shared".
C. Beck hit the nail on the head. I would want this as a bare minimum.
I also controversially have stated that we are not yet TAUGHT to be more
humane humans.
This also is inconceivable.
We need education from kindergarten on, on learning skills in the social
science arena.
After all we are social beings.
We need to learn to communicate.
Communicate without distortions.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: Re: open minded + open hearted |
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| lightsun wrote: | I know this is extreme, but I don't believe that all people should be
ALLOWED to have children until they can pass courses.
COME ON, we have to pass tests to get a job or drive a car, but
ANYONE can have kids.
It does not make sense. |
The last thing we need is more government involvement in our private lives. Just who will determine what qualifications are sufficient for a "parenting license", or what topics must be taught in parenting education? Will common sense prevail, or the usual alarmism? Will this be yet another thing left up to the fifty states, resulting in a patchwork of new regulation?
Even if a national consensus could be reached, any system of parenting education or qualification will fail utterly in the implementation. The wealthy will buy their way through, others perhaps cheat. It will become a mindless exercise on paper, devoid of any true content, because no one will be willing to take responsibility for making the subjective judgment calls necessary.
One cannot condense parenting fitness to a straightforward objective test. Moreover, those who appear to be outstanding potential parents on paper may turn out to be quite different once a child arrives, while those who seem least likely to succeed in fact rise to the challenge. And what happens to the poor person (generally mother) who has a child without having gone through the required rigamarole? Enforced abortion? Making the child a ward of the state? Remedial parenting class under duress? Fines or other sanctions? It is positively Orwellian.
No, the better answer is to provide substantive, meaningful, and non-judgmental services to those who truly can benefit from them. Probably cheaper in the long run (unless one counts on making money from fines), more effective, and more fair.
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